<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Help, I made a sign in 1.5 ASL Bible, but I cannot copy it to my word processor. "Immanuel"<br><div> </div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Rev. Ronald H. Dettloff, 20880 Ten Mile Road, St. Clair Shores, MI 48080</div><div>Other Web links: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://theshoreschurch.org/ME2/Audiences/Default.asp">http://theshoreschurch.org/ME2/Audiences/Default.asp</a> <strong><br></strong></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:
times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Valerie Sutton <dac@signwriting.org><br>To: SignWriting List <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:03:15 AM<br>Subject: [sw-l] RocketSigns<br><br>SignWriting List<br>December 13, 2007<br><br>Hello Cherie!<br>Of course go right ahead and discuss anything on the TeachASL List... <br>from my perspective anyway...Lists are open forums....So a message <br>posted on the SW List, for me, anyway, can certainly be posted <br>elsewhere...<br><br>Stuart...can Cherie discuss what you said on TeachASL?...<br><br>Enjoy your discussion!<br><br>Val ;-)<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>On Dec 13, 2007, at 3:40 AM, Cherie Wren wrote:<br><br>> I agree 1000%!<br>><br>> And I want to know more about that teaching method... does it
have <br>> a name, can you point me to the research behind it? ::smile:: <br>> Thats one of the biggest complaints about/from signing students-- <br>> receptive skills lag so far behind expressive, even after years and <br>> years of study sometimes.<br>><br>> Can I forward the relevant part to the teachASL list? We have just <br>> been discussing teaching philosophy-- voice or no voice in class...<br>><br>> cherie<br>><br>> ----- Original Message ----<br>> From: Stuart Thiessen <<a ymailto="mailto:sw@passitonservices.org" href="mailto:sw@passitonservices.org">sw@passitonservices.org</a>><br>> To: SignWriting List <<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:33:38 PM<br>> Subject: Re: AW: [sw-l] RocketSigns<br>><br>> Well,
this is my perception. I think the way that SW can be more <br>> readily accepted in the American Deaf Community is to show how it <br>> truly represents ASL. If the bulk of documents show 'weak ASL' then <br>> the American Deaf Community will not see how it can be used to <br>> promote and preserve ASL. Those who value literacy understand the <br>> value of sharing ideas. But, at this point, preservation of ASL and <br>> the promotion of ASL as a valid and necessary language for American <br>> Deaf is a higher value for them. So, I understand your point about <br>> the transcription of the video and how the actual signing does not <br>> impact SW at all. But from a PR point of view within the ASL Deaf <br>> community, I think it is better to make sure we have a higher <br>> percentage of documents that show clear ASL.<br>><br>> I assume
the same would be true of most other Deaf communities <br>> around the world. If the document is a clear representation of the <br>> language in use, then it will make the SW more attractive.<br>><br>> For ASL curriculum, I like Signing Naturally. I have also become <br>> excited about a new way to teach sign language where the student <br>> actually does not do any signing at first but just watches signing <br>> around him/her and responds to instructions ("Go get the paper", <br>> "Bring the book to me.", etc.) for a period of about 2-3 weeks <br>> (assuming a class that meets daily). After that, the students begin <br>> to respond in sign language. I observed this method with one sign <br>> language class and students were signing much more naturally than <br>> students who started signing from day one. The reason for this <br>> approach is
that observing the language for this initial period <br>> causes the brain to begin to organize itself to learn that language <br>> which will help it become more natural in the long term.<br>><br>> Just my 2¢,<br>><br>> Stuart<br>><br>> On 12 Dec 2007, at 16:49 , Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:<br>><br>>> Hi Valerie and friends,<br>>><br>>> I just downloaded the 6 days trial version of this ASL course.<br>>><br>>> Of course - with almost no insight to really DEAF ASL SIGNING - I <br>>> cannot judge whatsoever the "quality" of the performance -<br>>><br>>> Well on the other hand - a scribe writing SignLanguage <br>>> performance in SignWriting does not judge the performance but <br>>> tries to document what he sees.<br>>><br>>> And for this reason it would be a wonderful chance for all of us <br>>> and for
newcomers if there would be a couple of online videos on <br>>> some websites - showing single signs as well as phrases - just as <br>>> this is needed for language courses.<br>>><br>>> From my point of view we are still in need to compare the <br>>> movements that are videotaped with the signwriting-spelling options.<br>>><br>>> If the performance of a given signer is jugded to be "weak ASL" <br>>> well that will do no harm to the task to document this performance <br>>> in SignWriting.<br>>><br>>> Following the last postings I understand better that some DEAF <br>>> signers feel somehow shy or frightened if it comes to the point <br>>> that the spectator puts more interest in style of signing instead <br>>> of discussing the ideas he tries to express in his language. SW <br>>> allows to document this
performance on a scale from scientific <br>>> exact to kind of every day style ...<br>>><br>>> If we are interested to spread the use of SW it would be great to <br>>> collect as many of different SW documents from various sources ...<br>>><br>>> So if Jake does not mind it would be great to match some videos to <br>>> SL videos.<br>>><br>>> Just my mind.<br>>> <image001.jpg><br>>><br>>><br>>> Stefan ;-)<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>>> Von: <a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a> [mailto:sw-l- <br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
href="mailto:bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton<br>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2007 22:41<br>>> An: List SignWriting<br>>> Betreff: Re: [sw-l] RocketSigns<br>>><br>>> Ha! Maybe instead of using an English script, if the script had been<br>>> written in ASL with SignWriting directly, the discussion would have<br>>> become more ASL! Good reason to use SignWriting ;-)<br>>><br>>> And you are right about signing from an English script ...that is<br>>> bound to have some influence I would think...and maybe he realized
he<br>>> was signing to hearing people who do not know that much...that<br>>> changes a person's language sometimes too...<br>>><br>>> And we can't judge the course itself without seeing it... Thanks for<br>>> your input everyone -<br>>><br>>> Val ;-)<br>>><br>>> ----------<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Dec 12, 2007, at 1:18 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:<br>>><br>>> > I would agree with Cherie that he does have a strong English
accent<br>>> > to his signing on the video promotion. :) That could be a by<br>>> > product of using an English script to plan what he will say in the<br>>> > promo video or if they wrote the English first for subtitling and<br>>> > then signed the "ASL" based on the English script. The rest of the<br>>> > package would have to be evaluated to see if it truly taught ASL
or<br>>> > not. His topics are certainly good topics that he will discuss.<br>>> > Without further details, it is hard to say.<br>>> ><br>>> > my 2¢,<br>>> ><br>>> > Stuart<br>>> > On 12 Dec 2007, at 14:47 , Cherie Wren wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> >><br>>> >> "I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<br>>> >> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home<br>>> >> page..."<br>>> >><br>>> >> Its not ASL, if the video of Jake talking about his course is any<br>>> >> indication. He is signing straight English word order.. Of<br>>> >> course, you can write signed English in SW, I just have
objections<br>>> >> to it being marketed as an ASL course...<br>>> >><br>>> >> ---------------------------------<br>>> >> Cherie Wren<br>>> >> GSD Science Teacher<br>>> >> 232 Perry Farm Rd<br>>> >> Cave Spring, GA 30124<br>>> >> 706-777-2328<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> <a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-request@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l-request@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-request@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>>> >> Sent by: <a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>>> >> 12/12/2007 02:05 PM<br>>> >> Please respond to<br>>> >> <a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
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Today's Topics:<br>>> >><br>>> >> 1. Curious for your opinion... (Valerie Sutton)<br>>> >> 2. Re: Curious for your opinion... (GerardM)<br>>> >> 3. Re: Curious for your opinion... (Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni)<br>>> >> 4. Re: Curious for your opinion... (Valerie Sutton)<br>>> >> 5. Re: Curious for your opinion... ( Adam Frost )<br>>> >> 6. Re: Curious for your opinion... ( Adam Frost )<br>>> >><br>>> >> ----- Message from "Valerie Sutton" <<a ymailto="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>> on Wed,<br>>> >> 12 Dec 2007 10:38:42 -0800 -----<br>>> >> To:<br>>> >> " SignWriting List " <<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>>> >> Subject:<br>>> >> [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<br>>> >><br>>> >> SignWriting List<br>>> >> December 12, 2007<br>>> >><br>>> >> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<br>>> >> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home<br>>> >> page...<br>>> >><br>>> >> <a href="http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/" target="_blank">http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/</a> <br>>> specialoffer.php<br>>> >><br>>> >> Have you ever seen this new course?<br>>> >><br>>> >> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in <br>>> SignWriting.<br>>> >><br>>> >> Do you think
that would be a good idea?<br>>> >><br>>> >> Val ;-)<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> ----- Message from GerardM <<a ymailto="mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com" href="mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com">gerard.meijssen@gmail.com</a>> on Wed, 12<br>>> >> Dec 2007 20:00:22 +0100 -----<br>>> >> To:<br>>> >> " SignWriting List " <<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>>> >> Subject:<br>>> >> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<br>>> >><br>>> >> Hoi,<br>>> >> They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful<br>>> >> drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now<br>>> >> obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake
does<br>>> >> not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his<br>>> >> opinion about SignWriting ... :)<br>>> >> Thanks,<br>>> >> Gerard<br>>> >><br>>> >> On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a ymailto="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>> <br>>> wrote:<br>>> >> SignWriting List<br>>> >> December 12, 2007<br>>> >><br>>> >> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<br>>> >> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home<br>>> >> page...<br>>> >><br>>> >> <a href="http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/" target="_blank">http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/</a> <br>>> specialoffer.php<br>>>
>><br>>> >> Have you ever seen this new course?<br>>> >><br>>> >> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in <br>>> SignWriting.<br>>> >><br>>> >> Do you think that would be a good idea?<br>>> >><br>>> >> Val ;-)<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> ____________________________________________<br>>> >><br>>> >> SW-L SignWriting List<br>>> >><br>>> >> Post Message<br>>> >> <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>>> >><br>>> >> List Archives and Help<br>>> >> <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br>>> >><br>>>
>> Change Email Settings<br>>> >> <a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" target="_blank">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> ----- Message from "Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni" <<a ymailto="mailto:rodbagni@gmail.com" href="mailto:rodbagni@gmail.com">rodbagni@gmail.com</a>><br>>> >> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:08:51 -0300 -----<br>>> >> To:<br>>> >> " SignWriting List " <<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>>> >> Subject:<br>>> >> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<br>>> >><br>>> >> Maybe not.<br>>> >> Because he says that it is difficult to read the pictures and<br>>> >> drawings because they are bad.<br>>> >> In
case of SignWriting it is different, you can read the sign
very<br>>> >> well, but first you have to learn it.<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> On Dec 12, 2007 4:00 PM, GerardM <<a ymailto="mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com" href="mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com">gerard.meijssen@gmail.com</a>> <br>>> wrote:<br>>> >> Hoi,<br>>> >> They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful<br>>> >> drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now<br>>> >> obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake
does<br>>> >> not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his<br>>> >> opinion about SignWriting ... :)<br>>> >> Thanks,<br>>> >> Gerard<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a ymailto="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>> <br>>> wrote:<br>>> >> SignWriting List<br>>> >> December 12, 2007<br>>> >><br>>> >> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<br>>> >> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home<br>>> >> page...<br>>> >><br>>> >> <a href="http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/" target="_blank">http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/</a> <br>>>
specialoffer.php<br>>> >><br>>> >> Have you ever seen this new course?<br>>> >><br>>> >> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in <br>>> SignWriting.<br>>> >><br>>> >> Do you think that would be a good idea?<br>>> >><br>>> >> Val ;-)<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> ____________________________________________<br>>> >><br>>> >> SW-L SignWriting List<br>>> >><br>>> >> Post Message<br>>> >> <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>>> >><br>>> >> List Archives and Help<br>>> >> <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/"
target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br>>> >><br>>> >> Change Email Settings<br>>> >> <a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" target="_blank">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> ____________________________________________<br>>> >><br>>> >> SW-L SignWriting List<br>>> >><br>>> >> Post Message<br>>> >> <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>>> >><br>>> >> List Archives and Help<br>>> >> <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br>>>
>><br>>> >> Change Email Settings<br>>> >> <a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" target="_blank">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> --<br>>> >> Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni<br>>> >> ----- Message from "Valerie Sutton" <<a ymailto="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>> on Wed,<br>>> >> 12 Dec 2007 11:10:47 -0800 -----<br>>> >> To:<br>>> >> " SignWriting List " <<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>>> >> Subject:<br>>> >> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<br>>> >><br>>> >> SignWriting List<br>>> >> December 12,
2007<br>>> >><br>>> >> Gerard -<br>>> >> It doesn't matter what Jake's opinion is about SignWriting!<br>>> >> Obviously, if he has never heard of it, or does not know it, <br>>> then his<br>>> >> opinion can only be that of a person who does not know it <br>>> yet...but<br>>> >> when he learns SignWriting later...then his opinion will have<br>>> >> importance...<br>>> >><br>>> >> I have never met Jake, but I look forward to meeting him soon!<br>>> >><br>>> >> My question is to the ASL users...if the course Jake teaches is <br>>> good<br>>> >> ASL, and is a helpful course to people without SignWriting, <br>>> then it<br>>> >> will be a wonderful tool for us to write it in SignWriting, which<br>>> >> will then be an added help to Jake's
students...<br>>> >><br>>> >> People in the Sign Language worlds do not realize there is a <br>>> way to<br>>> >> write their language yet, and this would be a good way to <br>>> collaborate<br>>> >> with Jake, with his permission of course, to spread the idea that<br>>> >> there is a way to write the language now...<br>>> >><br>>> >> But first I want the opinion of the ASL signwriters as to whether<br>>> >> this course would be a good one to work with...<br>>> >><br>>> >> There are several courses in ASL that only use video, and we
could<br>>> >> contact any one f them and ask permission to write those <br>>> courses in<br>>> >> SignWriting, giving an added support for ASL students...<br>>> >><br>>> >> So I am just curious about opinions on the ASL course and <br>>> should we<br>>> >> contact Jake about adding some SignWriting?<br>>> >><br>>> >> All people, when they first hear about SignWriting, are
surprised,<br>>> >> but once they learn it I have never met a person who is against<br>>> >> it...the only people who are against it, are those who do not
know<br>>> >> it...<br>>> >><br>>> >> Val ;-)<br>>> >><br>>> >> ----------<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:00 AM, GerardM wrote:<br>>> >><br>>> >> > Hoi,<br>>> >> > They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful<br>>> >> > drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now<br>>> >> > obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake <br>>> does<br>>> >> > not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in
his<br>>> >> > opinion about SignWriting ... :)<br>>> >> > Thanks,<br>>> >> > Gerard<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a ymailto="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>><br>>> >> wrote:<br>>> >> > SignWriting List<br>>> >> > December 12, 2007<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<br>>> >> > started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home<br>>> >> page...<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > <a href="http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/" target="_blank">http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/</a><br>>> >> specialoffer.php<br>>> >> ><br>>>
>> > Have you ever seen this new course?<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > We could write to them to ask permission to write it in<br>>> >> SignWriting.<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > Do you think that would be a good idea?<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > Val ;-)<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > ____________________________________________<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > SW-L SignWriting List<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > Post Message<br>>> >> > <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > List Archives and Help<br>>> >> > <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/"
target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > Change Email Settings<br>>> >> > <a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" target="_blank">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > ____________________________________________<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > SW-L SignWriting List<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > Post Message<br>>> >> > <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > List Archives and Help<br>>> >> > <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/"
target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > Change Email Settings<br>>> >> > <a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" target="_blank">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> ----- Message from Adam Frost <<a ymailto="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a> > on Wed, 12<br>>> >> Dec 2007 19:11:29 +0000 -----<br>>> >> To:<br>>> >> "SW List" <<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>>> >> Subject:<br>>> >> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<br>>> >><br>>> >> I was just looking at the address. I live right by where
they are<br>>> >> based. Might be something to look into. ;)<br>>> >><br>>> >> Adam<br>>> >><br>>> >> -----Original Message-----<br>>> >> From: "Valerie Sutton" <<a ymailto="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>><br>>> >><br>>> >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:38:42<br>>> >> To:" SignWriting List " <<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>>> >> Subject: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> SignWriting List<br>>> >> December 12, 2007<br>>> >><br>>> >> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<br>>> >> started advertizing through Google ads on our
SignWriting home<br>>> >> page...<br>>> >><br>>> >> <a href="http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/" target="_blank">http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/</a> <br>>> specialoffer.php<br>>> >><br>>> >> Have you ever seen this new course?<br>>> >><br>>> >> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in <br>>> SignWriting.<br>>> >><br>>> >> Do you think that would be a good idea?<br>>> >><br>>> >> Val ;-)<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> ____________________________________________<br>>> >><br>>> >> SW-L SignWriting List<br>>> >><br>>> >> Post Message<br>>> >> <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>>> >><br>>> >> List Archives and Help<br>>> >> <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br>>> >><br>>> >> Change Email Settings<br>>> >> <a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" target="_blank">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> ----- Message from Adam Frost <<a ymailto="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a> > on Wed, 12<br>>> >> Dec 2007 19:15:25 +0000 -----<br>>> >> To:<br>>> >> "SW List" <<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>>> >> Subject:<br>>> >> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<br>>> >><br>>> >> I haven't had a chance to look at the videos because I am at work<br>>> >> at the moment.<br>>> >><br>>> >> Adam<br>>> >><br>>> >> -----Original Message-----<br>>> >> From: "Valerie Sutton" <<a ymailto="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>><br>>> >><br>>> >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:10:47<br>>> >> To:" SignWriting List " <<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>>> >> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>>
>> SignWriting List<br>>> >> December 12, 2007<br>>> >><br>>> >> Gerard -<br>>> >> It doesn't matter what Jake's opinion is about SignWriting!<br>>> >> Obviously, if he has never heard of it, or does not know it, <br>>> then his<br>>> >> opinion can only be that of a person who does not know it <br>>> yet...but<br>>> >> when he learns SignWriting later...then his opinion will have<br>>> >> importance...<br>>> >><br>>> >> I have never met Jake, but I look forward to meeting him soon!<br>>> >><br>>> >> My question is to the ASL users...if the course Jake teaches is <br>>> good<br>>> >> ASL, and is a helpful course to people without SignWriting, <br>>> then it<br>>> >> will be a wonderful tool for us to write it in SignWriting,
which<br>>> >> will then be an added help to Jake's students...<br>>> >><br>>> >> People in the Sign Language worlds do not realize there is a <br>>> way to<br>>> >> write their language yet, and this would be a good way to <br>>> collaborate<br>>> >> with Jake, with his permission of course, to spread the idea that<br>>> >> there is a way to write the language now...<br>>> >><br>>> >> But first I want the opinion of the ASL signwriters as to whether<br>>> >> this course would be a good one to work with...<br>>> >><br>>> >> There are several courses in ASL that only use video, and we
could<br>>> >> contact any one f them and ask permission to write those <br>>> courses in<br>>> >> SignWriting, giving an added support for ASL students...<br>>> >><br>>> >> So I am just curious about opinions on the ASL course and <br>>> should we<br>>> >> contact Jake about adding some SignWriting?<br>>> >><br>>> >> All people, when they first hear about SignWriting, are
surprised,<br>>> >> but once they learn it I have never met a person who is against<br>>> >> it...the only people who are against it, are those who do not
know<br>>> >> it...<br>>> >><br>>> >> Val ;-)<br>>> >><br>>> >> ----------<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:00 AM, GerardM wrote:<br>>> >><br>>> >> > Hoi,<br>>> >> > They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful<br>>> >> > drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now<br>>> >> > obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake <br>>> does<br>>> >> > not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in
his<br>>> >> > opinion about SignWriting ... :)<br>>> >> > Thanks,<br>>> >> > Gerard<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a ymailto="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>><br>>> >> wrote:<br>>> >> > SignWriting List<br>>> >> > December 12, 2007<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<br>>> >> > started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home<br>>> >> page...<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > <a href="http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/" target="_blank">http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/</a><br>>> >> specialoffer.php<br>>> >> ><br>>>
>> > Have you ever seen this new course?<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > We could write to them to ask permission to write it in<br>>> >> SignWriting.<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > Do you think that would be a good idea?<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > Val ;-)<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > ____________________________________________<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > SW-L SignWriting List<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > Post Message<br>>> >> > <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > List Archives and Help<br>>> >> > <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/"
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