<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Bill -<div>It is interesting to know that you work with vector graphics...it is a world I am just learning about -</div><div><br></div><div>What is your work with vectors?</div><div><br></div><div>Steve will be creating a Symbol Editor for me to try to turn our ISWA bitmaps into SVG later...it will be fun for me to learn it ;-))</div><div><br></div><div><div>Just in general, when it comes to different typeface styles for SignWriting symbols...</div><div><br></div><div>When it comes to beginning readers in any writing system...usually simple plain symbols, without serifs and fancy swirls...are better for beginning readers...then later, as the readers become advanced, the beauty of other typeface designs can be appreciated and read just as easily...</div><div><br></div><div>In SignWriting it is no different. A square and a circle have different meanings in SignWriting. Beginning readers need to be able to see a clear-cut square and a clear circle...a square that has rounded corners could be misread as a circle...no need to confuse people.</div><div><br></div><div>So I feel the SVG has to be very clear...and most readers of SignWriting are beginners around the world, as SignWriting Literature is not plentiful enough yet...although more Literature is being produced daily and that will change over time...</div><div><br></div><div>So other typeface designs of SignWriting symbols are welcome, but our world standard for the SVG needs to start with clean-cut symbols...</div><div><br></div><div>But I am impressed with Inkscape...quite an accomplishment...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><html>On Mar 31, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Bill Reese wrote:</html><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Adam,<br> <br> A straight line is a curve with a radius of infinity. ;-)<br> <br> Almost joking. I work with vectors every day and have seen a drawing done that way. The "look" of the drawing was as if there were lines and curves but it was all done with arcs. Theoretically, as long as the visual impact is the same, does it matter? After all, the world isn't flat but try telling that to someone who wants something "perfectly flat." Essentially (and simplistically), they're saying they want something that approximates the curvature of the earth so that nothing will roll on it.<br> <br> Bill<br> <br> <br> Adam Frost wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:70AC66E3-FB90-4153-8202-414258291D7C@gmail.com" type="cite">Yes, I agree. Which is why I had a hard time trying to create SVG with SignWriting. Inkscape has no idea which lines are supposed to be curved and which are supposed to be straight when doing batching. <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"> </div> <div>Adam</div> <div><br> <div> <div>On Mar 31, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="">SignWriting List <div>March 31, 2008</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Wow. I didn't realize that Inkscape was how Machado did the SVG of the IMWA 2004...I thought the software was specifically developed just for the SignWriting symbols to become SVG...so this is good news...thanks for informing us!</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Val ;-)</div> <div><br> </div> <div>PS. Yesterday I finished the final ID numbers of the ISWA 2008!</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Now I am cleaning some of the bitmapped graphics, to make the bitmaps look prettier, while Steve is finishing his new software....and then we will be testing the ISWA with the new software...Then we are planning an SVG version of the ISWA too...so in time, the SVG version of the ISWA will become the norm is my guess...</div> <div><br> </div> <div>But one point about the SVG that Steve and I hope to produce of the ISWA...I am hoping that the squares will be sharp-lined squares, with clean lines, rather than the tracing effect that the Inkscape created...then, once our very perfect SVG version is created, of course others can create different typestyle effects, such as the Inkscape style...but our original SVG of the ISWA needs to really look like the original bitmaps except without the zagged lines...</div> <div><br> </div> <div>-----------</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> <div>On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Adam Frost wrote:<br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="">Yes, it can. That is how the SVG symbols for 2004 were done. <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"> </div> <div>Adam</div> <div><br> <div> <div>On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Bill Reese wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Stuart,<br> <br> That looks good! Looking real quick at Inkscape's online manual, it appears it may be able to do batch conversions.<br> <br> Bill<br> <br> <br> Thiessen Stuart wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:93C9C364-8C0A-4729-B03D-B8A6F238267D@gmail.com" type="cite">Hi! I did a quick test with my namesign with Inkscape. I just imported the namesign from SignPuddle and then told it to trace the bitmap. Here are the results. I told it to output in SVG and OpenDocument Drawing (which is something OpenOffice can read). <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Stuart</div> <div><br> </div> <br> <hr size="4" width="90%"><br> <br> <hr size="4" width="90%"><br> <div> <div><br> </div> <div>On 31 Mar 2008, at 11:34 , Stephen Jones wrote:<br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite">Sandy and everyone:<br> <br> Thank you for the offer. I actually had that sign class the same day I sent this message so I had to make do with the pixelated images. I would be very interested to see the software once it is finished!<br> <br> Stuart:<br> <br> Thank you for the tip on inkscape. I will definitly look into that and see what I can come up with.<br> <br> Valerie:<br> <br> Thanks for the link to the SVG IMWA 2004. <br> <br> To all: so far the class has been going great. All the students seem to be picking up sign writing and they ask questions to clarify at the end. It will be interesting to see how well they will understand it by the end of the class.<br> <br> Sincerely,<br> Stephen Jones<br> <br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Sandy Fleming <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sandy@scotstext.org">sandy@scotstext.org</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Stephen,<br> <br> How many signs are you thinking of? I'm working (very slowly, I'm<br> afraid), on software that can produce this sort of thing. Unfortunately<br> it's not ready yet, but I could perhaps produce what you want in the<br> interim if there's not too much of it.<br> <br> You could of course just learn Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro or similar!<br> <br> Sandy Fleming<br> <div> <div class="Wj3C7c"><br> On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 15:13 -0400, Stephen Jones wrote:<br> > Hello all,<br> ><br> > I am currently trying to make signs that are about the size of half a<br> > page. Is there an easy way to make the signs larger without them<br> > becoming pixelated? 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