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Hi Val,<br>
<br>
I use AutoCAD to create construction drawings for civil engineering
projects. It's not SVG, it's DXF, but the end result is the similar:
avoids raster stair-stepping and pixilation.<br>
<br>
It will be very interesting to see what comes of the work you and Steve
will be doing with the conversion. :-)<br>
<br>
When doing the translation, leave yourself open for adjustments. Human
symbol recognition is of a very high order. While there needs to be a
limit on the variation of a symbol for the perception to be identical,
format changes may require those variations. Therefore, a "clean-cut"
representation of the symbol may not necessarily mean a perfectly
accurate translation to SVG from PNG, but, rather, one which achieves
the same perception. <br>
<br>
Bill<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Valerie Sutton wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:17814663-3B7D-486E-891A-D34E50B39738@signwriting.org"
type="cite">Hi Bill -
<div>It is interesting to know that you work with vector
graphics...it is a world I am just learning about -</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What is your work with vectors?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Steve will be creating a Symbol Editor for me to try to turn our
ISWA bitmaps into SVG later...it will be fun for me to learn it ;-))</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Just in general, when it comes to different typeface styles for
SignWriting symbols...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When it comes to beginning readers in any writing
system...usually simple plain symbols, without serifs and fancy
swirls...are better for beginning readers...then later, as the readers
become advanced, the beauty of other typeface designs can be
appreciated and read just as easily...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In SignWriting it is no different. A square and a circle have
different meanings in SignWriting. Beginning readers need to be able to
see a clear-cut square and a clear circle...a square that has rounded
corners could be misread as a circle...no need to confuse people.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So I feel the SVG has to be very clear...and most readers of
SignWriting are beginners around the world, as SignWriting Literature
is not plentiful enough yet...although more Literature is being
produced daily and that will change over time...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So other typeface designs of SignWriting symbols are welcome,
but our world standard for the SVG needs to start with clean-cut
symbols...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But I am impressed with Inkscape...quite an accomplishment...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div>On Mar 31, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Bill Reese wrote:<br
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Adam,<br>
<br>
A straight line is a curve with a radius of infinity. ;-)<br>
<br>
Almost joking. I work with vectors every day and have seen a drawing
done that way. The "look" of the drawing was as if there were lines
and curves but it was all done with arcs. Theoretically, as long as
the visual impact is the same, does it matter? After all, the world
isn't flat but try telling that to someone who wants something
"perfectly flat." Essentially (and simplistically), they're saying
they want something that approximates the curvature of the earth so
that nothing will roll on it.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
<br>
<br>
Adam Frost wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:70AC66E3-FB90-4153-8202-414258291D7C@gmail.com" type="cite">Yes,
I agree. Which is why I had a hard time trying to create SVG with
SignWriting. Inkscape has no idea which lines are supposed to be curved
and which are supposed to be straight when doing batching.
<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div>Adam</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Mar 31, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:</div>
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<div style="">SignWriting List
<div>March 31, 2008</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Wow. I didn't realize that Inkscape was how Machado did
the SVG of the IMWA 2004...I thought the software was specifically
developed just for the SignWriting symbols to become SVG...so this is
good news...thanks for informing us!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Val ;-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>PS. Yesterday I finished the final ID numbers of the ISWA
2008!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now I am cleaning some of the bitmapped graphics, to make
the bitmaps look prettier, while Steve is finishing his new
software....and then we will be testing the ISWA with the new
software...Then we are planning an SVG version of the ISWA too...so in
time, the SVG version of the ISWA will become the norm is my guess...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But one point about the SVG that Steve and I hope to
produce of the ISWA...I am hoping that the squares will be sharp-lined
squares, with clean lines, rather than the tracing effect that the
Inkscape created...then, once our very perfect SVG version is created,
of course others can create different typestyle effects, such as the
Inkscape style...but our original SVG of the ISWA needs to really look
like the original bitmaps except without the zagged lines...</div>
<div><br>
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<div>On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Adam Frost wrote:<br
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<div style="">Yes, it can. That is how the SVG symbols for
2004 were done.
<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
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<div>Adam</div>
<div><br>
<div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Stuart,<br>
<br>
That looks good! Looking real quick at Inkscape's online manual, it
appears it may be able to do batch conversions.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
<br>
<br>
Thiessen Stuart wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:93C9C364-8C0A-4729-B03D-B8A6F238267D@gmail.com" type="cite">Hi!
I did a quick test with my namesign with Inkscape. I just imported the
namesign from SignPuddle and then told it to trace the bitmap. Here are
the results. I told it to output in SVG and OpenDocument Drawing (which
is something OpenOffice can read).
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Stuart</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>On 31 Mar 2008, at 11:34 , Stephen Jones wrote:<br
class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite">Sandy and everyone:<br>
<br>
Thank you for the offer. I actually had that sign class the same day I
sent this message so I had to make do with the pixelated images. I
would be very interested to see the software once it is finished!<br>
<br>
Stuart:<br>
<br>
Thank you for the tip on inkscape. I will definitly look into that and
see what I can come up with.<br>
<br>
Valerie:<br>
<br>
Thanks for the link to the SVG IMWA 2004. <br>
<br>
To all: so far the class has been going great. All the students seem to
be picking up sign writing and they ask questions to clarify at the
end. It will be interesting to see how well they will understand it by
the end of the class.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Stephen Jones<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 3:20
PM, Sandy Fleming <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sandy@scotstext.org">sandy@scotstext.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Stephen,<br>
<br>
How many signs are you thinking of? I'm working (very slowly, I'm<br>
afraid), on software that can produce this sort of thing. Unfortunately<br>
it's not ready yet, but I could perhaps produce what you want in the<br>
interim if there's not too much of it.<br>
<br>
You could of course just learn Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro or similar!<br>
<br>
Sandy Fleming<br>
<div>
<div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 15:13 -0400, Stephen Jones wrote:<br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> I am currently trying to make signs that are about the size of
half a<br>
> page. Is there an easy way to make the signs larger without them<br>
> becoming pixelated? I am making these for use in a conversational
ASL<br>
> class at my church.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Stephen Jones<br>
><br>
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