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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hello Valerie, Adam,
Ingvild, sw-list, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>thanks for your comments.
Well I can understand this idea about a “center of a sign” .
If there are no arrows involved – just the pure circles with the thin and
thick part I have no problem to see them arranged in a symmetric way with the
tick part outside. In combination with the arrows it “feels”
sometimes as if I focus more on these ..(like spelling A) . but following
your rule as if looking into a room in front of me it makes sense to write it
as in spelling B though both arrows on the right side seem to push the
hands visually to the right side... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway it has been
helpfull to think about it --- L.I.F.E <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks again<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
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sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Samstag, 19. </span></font><font
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2008 19:13<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SignWriting List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] spelling
question</span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>April 19, 2008<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hello Stefan, Ingvild and Adam!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks for the question, Stefan. And thanks for the
answers, Ingvild and Adam... All your messages are below...I could not find
your new attached file, Ingvild...but it sounded right!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Adam explained it so perfectly that there is nothing
more for me to say!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>The hands start the circle where the arrows are
placed. The dark side of the circle is closer to the chest. So if the arrows
are placed on the dark side of the circle, then the hands start the circle
closer to the chest.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>We write "relating to the center of the
body"... or "relating to the center of the sign"... and Adam is
correct that placing the darker side of the circles on the outside, gives the
"feeling" of focusing on the "center of the sign"...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>So the bottom row of your symbols (number 4 and 8 in
the attached), Stefan, fits best with the rules that "each sign has a
center"...Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Adam Frost wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>First
things first. As I understand it, the arrowhead shows where the hands start and
end, so there is a slight distinction there between how some of your arrows are
set up. Also, each sign has a center. By having the darker or thicker part of
the arrow on the outside and the lighter or thinner part inside creates that
center. So of the combinations, the last row seems to be the only configuration
that works. I might be wrong, but that's how I see it as of right now. </span></font></span><font
color=black><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>Adam</span></span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Apr 19, 2008, at 5:04 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>I would prefer the one
at the lower left. (I have added this as a separate file.)The right hand is
'taking the lead', and the two circles makes kind of a depth perspective - but
as you say, it is a matter of feling. <br>
Ingvild <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><u1:p><span style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1'><font
size=2 color="#144fae" face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#144FAE'>preparing some new worksheets for my students
I happened to realize that there are many different options to write the
movement we need in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region u2_x003a_st="on"
w:st="on">Germany</st1:country-region></st1:place> for the signs of sign
or bike ...</span></span></font></u1:p></span><font size=4 color=black
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font-family:Arial;color:#144FAE'>Do you prefer any of these as kind of
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>All the best
Stefan ;-)</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
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