<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>May 11, 2008</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Charles and Carl -</div><div>Thanks for this information...</div><div><br></div><div>The closest thing we have to the "sandbox" idea, is the PocketPuddle. It is a USB stick, that has SignPuddle software on it, and it does not require an internet connection. You can plug it into your USB port on your computer, and create your own private dictionaries and puddles offline...</div><div><br></div><div>PocketPuddles cost us money to manufacture, and the software is not always up-to-date with what we have online, so it has its drawbacks too...But there are several people who use PocketPuddles in the UK...they work best on Windows, although special installation is possible for Macs and Linux...</div><div><br></div><div><b>PocketPuddle</b></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><a href="http://www.suttonshop.com/ecommerce/pages/products_sw_detail.jsp?id=49.0">http://www.suttonshop.com/ecommerce/pages/products_sw_detail.jsp?id=49.0</a></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">The software on the PocketPuddle is SignPuddle 1.5.</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Later this year, our SignPuddle Online will be upgrading to the new ISWA 2008. That will be called SignPuddle 2.0.</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">The PocketPuddle will not be updated to SignPuddle 2.0 software for some time, so it uses an older version of the software...</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Val ;-)</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">-------------</div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On May 11, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Sandbank, like Sandbox, would be a scratch pad to be able to temporarily save an effort in sign writing, and not have it go to SignBank or the SignPuddle.<br><br>This is a place to practice signwriting, but not have it go into a dictionary but be like a writing pad, a place to construct a sign with the software (as opposed to writing it on paper), save it in sort of a little private box so you can have it to look at, but not have it go into the online SignPuddle or SignBank until they have a final copy. Right now, we have to have multiple versions in the SignPuddle that then have to be edited out.<br><br>Charles<br><br><br><b><i>Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> SignWriting List<br>May 11, 2008<br><br>Carl Jones from the UK wrote:<br>> First, congratulations on the SignWriting Image Server. It's <br>> looking awesome. :-)<br><br><br>Thank you, Carl...I am sure that Steve will be glad to know you feel <br>that way... I agree. Steve did an awesome job!<br><br><br><br>> I was wondering. In BSL, or at least in my dialect, the sign for <br>> 'poor' is scratching your elbow. How would you write this? How do <br>> you write that something has contact with the fingernails, not the <br>> fingers?<br><br>We have a similar sign for POOR in American Sign Language...The <br>fingers brush twice at the elbow. See two ways of writing that ASL <br>sign here:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Although in the general Sutton Movement Writing system, we can <br>differentiate between fingertips and fingerpads, we have never written <br>the fingernail...I personally cut my fingernails down to the bone, so <br>that I have no fingernails, and I often wear gloves when I sign for <br>medical reasons, yet I can still sign...so I am sure that "fingertip" <br>is enough information...and whether it is the nail or not, would not <br>change the meaning of the sign...<br><br>In the UK, I know that you pronounce the word "schedule" differently <br>than we do here in the US, but our two countries still spell (write) <br>the word "schedule" with the same or similar spellings, even though we <br>pronounce the same word differently, so we do not write with enormous <br>detail for everyday use in English either...what matters is...is there <br>another sign in BSL that has a different meaning, if the person had <br>fingernails or not? I doubt that ;-)<br><br>So fingertips is enough information, rather than fingernail!<br><br><br>><br>> The BSL sign for 'when' involves drumming your fingers against your <br>> face-from pinkie to index. How on earth would you write that?<br><br>We definitely can write that! No problem...see attached diagram here:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>> Finally, I was wondering if it's possible to make a 'sandbank' for <br>> SignWriting, so you can practise signing and don't have to save it?<br><br><br>What is a sandbank? Do you mean a SignBank?<br><br>What do you mean by "don't have to save it"?...smile<br><br>We do have a program called "SignBank"...<br><br>SignBank<br><a href="http://www.SignBank.org">http://www.SignBank.org</a><br><br>Val ;-)<br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br>SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br><br>List Archives and Help<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br><br>Change Email Settings<br>http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</blockquote><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br><br>Change Email Settings<br>http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Arial; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Arial; min-height: 14px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Arial; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Arial; ">Valerie Sutton</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 240); "><span style="text-decoration: underline; "><a href="mailto:Sutton@SignWriting.org">Sutton@SignWriting.org</a></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Arial; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Arial; ">1. 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