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Valerie Sutton wrote:
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cite="mid:2D21C3ED-3240-4BD5-85AD-3062CCF0BB70@signwriting.org"
type="cite">SignWriting List
<div>May 14, 2008</div>
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<div>Hello Hasna!</div>
<div>Thank you for your kind words...</div>
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<div>Yes...the SignSpelling Guidelines 2004 manual is quite
out-of-date, but it is still online for download. Go to this web page:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>Sutton's SymbolBank</b></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><a
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href="http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/">http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/</a></span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">and scroll down.
Click on Number 1 to download the manual...</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I hope it won't
confuse you, since through experience we have learned that location
comes later in the SignSpelling Sequence...Through working with people
trying to find signs that are sorted by symbols, we found that they
look for handshape first, and then movement, but location comes last,
when searching for a group of signs...so the location is now moved to
the end of the SignSpelling...that is the biggest difference between
SignSpellings in 2004 and SignSpellings in 2008...the new 2008 manual
will explain this...</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">meanwhile, the
SignSpelling data that is produced in SignPuddle is just providing the
sequence of the symbols, without grouping them into
"syllables"...knowledge of syllables helps those who are trying to
learn how to determine the SignSpelling for a sign, but it was never
programmed in our SWML...</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Just like in
English...if you asked me..."What is the spelling of the world
"INTERESTING" I would say:</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br>
</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T-I-N-G</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br>
</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I would not say
IN-TER-EST-ING, unless I was trying to teach phonics of other kinds of
reading techniques...</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br>
</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">So technically
syllables could be programmed someday...by asking the person who is
entering the SignSpelling data to also tell the software where the
break is, between syllables...but that is the future...</span></font></div>
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Val,<br>
One area that syllables could be useful however is for changing
from expressive to receptive writing form. I remember when you
explained the differences to us that some symbols change vertical order
in which they are written when going expressive to receptive. I have
been thinking of writing some code to do this but then realized the
level difficulty especially without have the symbols grouped in
syllables. I'm busy programing other features that I fell are more
important. I hope to include the ISWA in my program soon.<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
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class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Why do you need this
information? What is your project?</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Val ;-)</span></font></div>
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<div>On May 14, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Hasna Hocini wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hello again!<br>
Thank you very much for your answers and for all the information you
gave me! <br>
So much work to do! That's really very beautiful! <br>
Can you tell me please if the SignSpelling Guidelines 2004 the last one
available? <br>
Thanks a lot!<br>
Hasna<br>
<b><i>Valerie Sutton <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>></i></b>
a écrit :
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SignWriting List
<div>May 14, 2008</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>Hasna Hocini wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite">I need a file where I can have the
SignSpelling Syllables. I found the sbml file. In this file we find:
<Sequence>............ </Sequence> <br>
it is I guess the signspelling sequence. But I can't find a file with
the signspelling syllables. Can you help me with that please. Thank you
very much and have a good night, Hasna Hocini</blockquote>
<br>
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<div>Hello Hasna!</div>
<div>Thank you for this unusual question ;-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is unusual because we have never broken down the
SignSpelling data into segments called "syllables". Not from a software
point of view anyway...as far as i know ;-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I just completed the International SignWriting Alphabet
(ISWA 2008) last Friday. I delivered it to Steve Slevinski, who is
developing the SignWriting Image Server and other software, that will
bring the ISWA to the general public...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You'll probably be interested in the SignWriting Image
Server (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/swis">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/swis</a>).
Steve just released the beta. You can download the project if you
want.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/swis.zip">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/swis.zip</a><br>
<br>
Over the next few months, Steve will release more open source software
for use, such as SignMaker and SignText.<br>
<br>
Steve is currently rewriting SignPuddle to use the ISWA symbol set,
rather than the older IMWA symbol set. It will be able to export data
for use with the SignWriting Image Server.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now that I have completed the ISWA 2008, I plan to do the
following:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. Write a new manual: "SignSpelling Guidelines 2008". This
will provide you with important information on SignSpelling rules,
including how to add SignSpellings into current SignPuddle software. I
will address the issue of SignSyllables in the manual, but that will
only be in the manual and not a part of SWML at this time...<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. I need to update our SignBank Desktop Database software
to use the symbols in the new ISWA 2008...so that is a big job for me
to update SignBank. Once that has been done, I will create a new
download for SignBank users...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So I will keep you informed as to when the SignSpelling
Guidelines 2008 is ready for download on the web...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you want to ask me more questions, perhaps I can help you
sign by sign...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Val ;-)</div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">4.
SignWriting List</div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Technical
Support: Ask questions to the List </div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Geneva; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 240);"><span
style="text-decoration: underline;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/swlist">http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/swlist</a></span></div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; min-height: 14px;"><br>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">5.
SignWriting Literature Project</div>
<div
style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Writing
Literature in Sign Languages</div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 240);"><span
style="text-decoration: underline;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.SignWriting.org/literature">http://www.SignWriting.org/literature</a></span></div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; min-height: 14px;"><br>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Deaf
Action Committee For SignWriting</div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Center
For Sutton Movement Writing</div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">an
educational nonprofit organization</div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">P.O.
Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038, USA</div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">tel
858-456-0098 fax 858-456-0020</div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Skype
Name: valeriesutton</div>
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