<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I can't see the images that you are referring to. I would love to help answer your question.<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On May 20, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div>I don't understand this sign. It looks to me as if the hands are moving in opposite directions.<br><br>The left hand is moving forward and up, the right hand is moving up and then forward. I wouldn't be able to ride a bicycle with that motion.<br><br><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><img src="Upload?Data=upl1478976709" v:shapes="_x0000_i1025" height="33" width="33"></font></div><br><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><br></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; ">This one is what I would do. I prefer 1st column, 2nd sign as the wheels are on the outside edge on opposite hands.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><br><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><img id="_x0000_i1025" src="Upload?Data=upl858164547" height="180" width="129"></span></font></div><br><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><br></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; ">Charles Butler</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><br></div><br><b><i>Gagnon et Thibeault <<a href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">atg@videotron.ca</a>></i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; "><o:smarttagtype name="country-region" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Hi Val and<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>everyone,</font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>You will see the diagram below (BIKE).<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The right arrowhead moves<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>up-forward-down-back two times while the left arrowhead moves down-back-up-forward two times.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span> </span>But, Stefan<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>gave the two signs (SIGN or BIKE).<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>You will see the attached diagram.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The right<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>arrowhead moves up-forward-down-back two times while the left arrowhead moves up-back-down-forward. Two times.<span> </span></font></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>I would like to ask Adam or Stuart.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Is the sign “BIKE” a diagram below or Stefan’s diagram?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span> </span><span> </span>Because I need to understand what the right and left arrowheads move.</font></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">BIKE</font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Regards,</font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">André</font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(255, 255, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; background-position: 0% 50%; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com" href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Stefan Wöhrmann</a></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">'SignWriting List'</a></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:20 AM</div><div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[sw-l] spelling question</div><div><strong><font color="#ffff00" face="Arial" size="6"></font></strong><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></strong><br></div><div class="Section1"><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Hi Valerie and sw-list,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">preparing some new worksheets for my students I happened to realize that there are many different options to write the movement we need in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for the signs of sign or bike ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Do you prefer any of these as kind of “best Gestalt”? <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">I know it is a matter of feeling – but perhaps of experience as well ... just curious ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; 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