Dear Hasna,<br><br>The point of ASL English gloss as a concept is that it is inaccurate at best. It is an approximation which SignWriting was created to correct. If one puts in English gloss, the current SignWriting ASL dictionary, for example, will bring up several alternatives for various signs "none, nothing, no, not", so that the signer can choose between them for accurate, to the moment, signs from several choices. There is no single one-to-one correspondence between English and English gloss. It's just like English to French translation, it requires a speaker of both languages to actually be accurate.<br><br>I'd be interested if there were a dictionary between English and ASL Gloss, but that's the very point of SignWriting, if one tries to use English to translate ASL one will always have to pick and choose. <br><br>Charles<br><br><br><b><i>Hasna Hocini <h_hocini@yahoo.fr></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px
solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Hello,<br>The translate feature of signpuddle translates Asl english gloss to SignWriting.<br>Is there please a program that translates written english to Asl english gloss? <br>Thank you very much!<br>Hasna<br><br><b><i>Valerie Sutton <sutton@signwriting.org></i></b> a écrit :<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div><div>On May 20, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Hasna Hocini wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;">Hi Jonathan, Hi Charles, Hi Valerie,<br>To write a programm I have to understand ALL those associations. Which document do you
advice me to read in order to understand them. Actually, I'm reading "Lessons in SignWriting 2002, Read and write the movement of signed languages" . Is it a good choice or should I read another document?<br>Regards,<br>Hasna<br></span></blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>The most up-to-date book we have posted at the moment is on this web page:</div><div><br></div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/lessonsw/">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/lessonsw/</a></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust:
none; font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Scroll down and download number 4 on that web page. You are right that the date on that book is 2002...</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style:
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">The dark arrowhead for the right hand, and the light arrowhead for the left hand, is explained on pages 98 and 99 (the numbers printed on the pages). In the PDF document, it is actually pages 103 and 104...</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">There is also a General Arrowhead that is for overlapping paths...on page 104</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Arrows are not always close to the hands...so you cannot base anything on the proximity of arrows to handshapes...Right
and left arrows are determined by the dark and light arrowheads...</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Val ;-)</span></font></div></div><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br>SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br><br>List Archives and Help<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br><br>Change
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