<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>{"Its discouraging to be at the Cat in the Hat phase though!"}<br><br>Goodness! Cat in the Hat is simple 'children's' language in English, but is NOT AT ALL simple language in ASL, so don't be discouraged. It ain't so easy in SW either! ::smile:: Ask anything you want, and we'll help in any way we can. This list is great for that. Very friendly people.<br><br>cherie<br><br><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Brian McQueen <mcqueenorama@gmail.com><br>To: SignWriting List <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:01:34 PM<br>Subject: Re: [sw-l] sign puddle
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I am interested in both of those so thanks for the offer! I have a<br>deaf Brother-in-law, with whom I worked daily for some years, where I<br>learned some ASL. Since he left my hunger for it has grown, and I<br>have found that we spoke a quick, slangy language based on ASL, so I<br>hope to use the signwriting materials to increase my vocabulary and<br>hopefully feed my hunger for ASL. I did not know how I liked it until<br>it was gone. I also want to talk to real people, but who has time for<br>such a thing nowadays! Anyway, this signwriting is very helpful, and<br>I can do it in my spare time from the sofa. Its discouraging to be at<br>the Cat in the Hat phase though!<br><br>No questions for now, but I'm sure I'll send you some. Thanks for<br>doing that writing!<br><br>On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Cherie Wren <<a ymailto="mailto:cwterp@yahoo.com" href="mailto:cwterp@yahoo.com">cwterp@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>> The Cat in the Hat in SignPuddle is an ASL translation of the English story<br>> by Dr Seuss. If you want to see the English gloss for the ASL, it won't<br>> necessarily make a lot of sense in English, and it will leave out a lot of<br>> information, because gloss is not capable of including all the subtleties<br>> (and some of the obvious stuff) that is included in the sign. Lets take the<br>> "Cat in the Hat 01" section: In gloss I would render it as "Sunshine none.<br>> Outside rain wet can't play. [gesture: shrug with palms up] sit inside<br>> house. All day cold wet." Which in the original English was "The sun did<br>> not shine. It was too wet to play. So, we sat in the house all that cold,<br>> cold wet day." Signwriting can convey the emotional "tone of voice" that<br>> neither written English nor gloss ('written' sign that isn't
signwriting)<br>> can.<br>><br>> If you are looking to learn to read SW or ASL, or to understand my version<br>> of the story, I would be happy to help you.<br>><br>> cherie<br>><br>><br>><br>> ----- Original Message ----<br>> From: Brian McQueen <<a ymailto="mailto:mcqueenorama@gmail.com" href="mailto:mcqueenorama@gmail.com">mcqueenorama@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: SignWriting List <<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:27:12 PM<br>> Subject: [sw-l] sign puddle help<br>><br>> Can you please help me get more out of Sign Puddle? I can't seem to<br>> find anything most of the time. The Sign Puddle is so important!<br>> Going from a sign to the English word is the most important missing<br>> piece of Sign Language documentation in my opinion. Here
is an<br>> example. I am taking a word from The Cat in the Hat:<br>><br>> <a href="http://screencast.com/t/scGSIxWn" target="_blank">http://screencast.com/t/scGSIxWn</a><br>><br>> Here is the Rotate Match:<br>><br>> <a href="http://screencast.com/t/NyfU9M2g" target="_blank">http://screencast.com/t/NyfU9M2g</a><br>><br>> Clicking Search gives:<br>><br>> <a href="http://screencast.com/t/PJGhs2DDndD" target="_blank">http://screencast.com/t/PJGhs2DDndD</a><br>><br>> For some reason the signs in that post-search summary are not the same<br>> as the ones I entered:<br>><br>> But mostly I need to be able to look up the words! I have a very low<br>> success rate and this kind of search is exactly what I need, so I need<br>> to have a higher success rate.<br>><br>> Thanks!<br>><br>><br>><br>> ____________________________________________<br>><br>> SW-L SignWriting
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