<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>July 29, 2008</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Kimberly, and Charles and everyone!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for this explanation below, Charles...and here is a video that shows you step by step what Charles explains below:</div><div><br></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><a href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/help/SignPuddle15VideoUS/SignPuddle15_Video31.html">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/help/SignPuddle15VideoUS/SignPuddle15_Video31.html</a></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">If you view this video, you can see how to start a SignText document in the Literature Puddle, and how to start adding signs to the document etc...</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">And here are other SignPuddle Help manuals and videos:</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">SignPuddle Help</span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><a href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/help/">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/help/</a></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Plus ask questions here to the List...</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Once you create a document, as Charles says, it gets easier!</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Val ;-)</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">---------------</span></font></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hello Kimberly et al, <br><br>This is Charles, documenting a little of my experience, and looking for feedback. <br><br>You sort of have to know how to save signs singularly. I had the same glitch.<br><br>Take a look at my sentences under the ASL Encyclopedia, particularly, DeafHistory3 or DeafHistory4. Those were more sign focused, the earlier two are a lot of fingerspelling. <br><br>As you use a lot of classifiers, you may want to look at what I did with "Teach Deaf Children" in DeafHistory4. The left hand from teach was kept as a classifier while the right continued to sign Deaf and Children. <br><br>1) First create one sign, make sure it's one sign, not a combination.<br><br>2) Then save it by saving it to the left, middle, or right lane, that will start the SignText by saving the first sign.<br><br>3) Continue on to later signs, I really found myself thinking much more accurately after the first several files.<br><br>Charles<br><br><br><br><b><i>Kimberley Shaw <<a href="mailto:skifoot@gmail.com">skifoot@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Hello Valerie and all:<br>I will go and give SignText another try; sooner rather than later, I hope!<br>I think I gave it a go when it was just-announced, but for some reason<br>didn't succeed in getting from here to there. If I'm lucky, maybe the<br>computer was just having a wonky day then.<br>Stay tuned,<br>Kim<br><br>On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting@mac.com> wrote:<br>> SignWriting List<br>> July 28, 2008<br>> Hello Kim, Charles and everyone -<br>> Great to hear from you, Kim...sounds like you are having a wonderful time!<br>> And I enjoyed looking at your handwritten pdf document...thanks for sending<br>> it to us...<br>> As you know, I was the one who designed the keyboards in SignWriter DOS, and<br>> of course, the keyboard techniques mean a lot to me. However, I also enjoy<br>> the quick way that I can create full and beautiful documents in SignPuddle<br>> 1.5 (thank you, Steve), and I truly believe that using SignText, to create<br>> large documents, is very successful as well...<br>> Both dragging-dropping and typing...are two techniques that are wonderful -<br>> and all of these techniques are useful for a certain percentage of the<br>> population...Not everyone prefers the keyboarding...and not everyone prefers<br>> the dragging and dropping...it depends on the person and their<br>> equipment...and what they have experience with...<br>> So let me ask you, Kim...Have you ever tried to create a document in<br>> SignText in SignPuddle 1.5? You may find it fun and useful...I do<br>> anyway....so I like BOTH methods, and enjoy creating documents with either<br>> method...Try writing your handwritten pdf in the ASL Literature puddle...Go<br>> to:<br>> ASL Literature Puddle<br>> <a href="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/index.php?ui=1&sgn=5">http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/index.php?ui=1&sgn=5</a><br>> and click on the SignText button to start a brand new document...<br>><br>> Charles recently started writing a series of History articles in the ASL<br>> Encyclopedia in SignPuddle, using SignText. Have you seen it? Very good job,<br>> Charles...I hope we can read more about the history of deafness later in the<br>> encyclopedia...<br>> Go to:<br>> ASL Encyclopedia in SignPuddle<br>> <a href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle1.5/index.php?ui=1&sgn=21">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle1.5/index.php?ui=1&sgn=21</a><br>> Val ;-)<br>> --------------<br>><br>> On Jul 28, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Kimberley Shaw wrote:<br>><br>> Hello SignWriters:<br>> I am back from my stage-signing (in ASL) debut at the 2008 GALA<br>> festival in Miami, and would love to start putting up transcriptions<br>> of our songs on the web! And I heartily agree with Charles -- if there<br>> were a way to SignWrite with the keyboard, I would be very glad to<br>> start using it. It is still far easier for me to grab pencil and pen,<br>> than to be mouseclick-by-mouseclick building each sign online!<br>> And so, I now have a PDF of a pencilled transcript of the song, "Over<br>> the Rainbow", which I would like to show to the rest of you before I<br>> create a nice, neat, WWW-ready copy. Will it reach all of you listserv<br>> folks OK as an attachment?<br>> Let me know how it reads, and if there are major changes that need to<br>> be made, signs that don't make sense, etc.<br>> I very much enjoyed performing this version onstage; it was created by<br>> Ayisha Knight-Shaw, Deaf poet / artist / storyteller / photographer.<br>> Best,<br>> Kim from Boston<br>> <over the="" rainbow="" in="" asl.pdf=""><br>><br>><br>> ____________________________________________<br>><br>> SW-L SignWriting List<br>><br>> Post Message<br>> <a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>><br>> List Archives and Help<br>> <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br>><br>> Change Email Settings<br>> <a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ____________________________________________<br>><br>> SW-L SignWriting List<br>><br>> Post Message<br>> <a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>><br>> List Archives and Help<br>> <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br>><br>> Change Email Settings<br>> <a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br>><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br><br>Change Email Settings<br>http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<br><br></over></signwriting@mac.com></blockquote><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br><br>Change Email Settings<br>http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>