<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>August 20, 2008</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Jonathan -</div><div>I am so glad to know you like the ISWA! That makes me happy ;-))</div><div><br></div><div>Of course the ISWA that you see in the SWIS is a beta version.</div><div><br></div><div>Steve and I are not ready yet, to release the official version of the ISWA. It will be official the day we release the new SignPuddle 2.0, or at least that is our present plan, which I hope will be in September. Steve is away on vacation right now, and I am still working on the symbols a little...nothing major....but little improvements here and there.</div><div><br></div><div>And you are right that our web pages are not finished yet...I am sorry for your frustration.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is a description to the ISWA Categories and Groups. I do not have a listing of all the symbol-names yet, but that will be coming...There are 7 categories and 30 groups of symbols. (We do not write with Category 7. The symbols in Category 7 are for advanced sorting of dictionaries only.)</div><div><br></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">ISWA 2008</span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 1: Hands</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 2: Movement</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 3: Face Head</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 4: Body</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 5: Dynamics</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 6: Punctuation</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 7: Advanced Sorting</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; min-height: 12px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 1: Hands</span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 01: Index</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 02: Index Middle</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 03: Index Middle Thumb</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 04: 4 Fingers</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 05: 5 Fingers</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 06: Baby Finger</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 07: Ring Finger</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 08: Middle Finger</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 09: Index Thumb</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 10: Thumb</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; min-height: 12px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 2: Movement</span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 11: Contact</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 12: Finger Movement</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 13: Straight Wall Plane</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 14: Straight Diagonal Plane</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 15: Straight Floor Plane</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 16: Curves Wall Plane</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 17: Curves Hit Wall Plane</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 18: Curves Hit Floor Plane</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 19: Curves Floor Plane</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 20: Circular Movement</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; min-height: 12px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 3: Faces & Head</span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 21: Brow, Eyes, Eyegaze</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 22: Cheeks Ears Nose Breath</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 23: Mouth Lips</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 24: Tongue Teeth Chin Neck</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 25: Head</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; min-height: 12px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 4: Body</span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 26: Shoulders Hips Torso</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 27: Limbs</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; min-height: 12px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 5: Dynamics</span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 28: Dynamics & Timing</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; min-height: 12px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 6: Punctuation</span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 29: Punctuation</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; min-height: 12px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Category 7: Advanced Sorting</span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Group 30: Detailed Location</span></font></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>----------------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:13 AM, Jonathan wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <font>Hi Val,<br> I was wondering if the descriptions for the groups in the ISWA-2008 are available anywhere on the website yet. I have been looking for it but only found <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=*">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=*</a> but it doesn't have the descriptions and <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.signwriting.org/video/lessons/iswa/group01/">http://www.signwriting.org/video/lessons/iswa/group01/</a> but it isnīt complete for all of the groups in the ISWA just the first ones.<br> <br> I am looking for something like<br> </font><font><font>01-01-001-01</font></font> <font>Index Tight Fist<br> </font><font><font>01-01-002-01</font></font> <font>Index Open Fist<br> </font><font><font>01-01-003-01</font></font> <font>Index Cup Base<br> <br> But for all of the groups.<br> <br> I understand that you are still putting the last touches to the ISWA and want to let you know that I am very grateful for all the hard work you and Steve have put into the symbols, I was looking at them the other day as I imported the ones that had come with the SWIS into my program and I like them a lot better than the IMWA. I'm that they will contribute to easier reading.<br> <br> If there is anything I can do to help with getting the group descriptions together, let me know.<br> <br> Jonathan<br></font></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>