<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><div>SignWriting List</div><div>August 21, 2008</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Andre!</div><div><br></div><div>Yes...it is so true....Adam's animated GIFs are really beautiful...we are so fortunate...</div><div><br></div><div>I think our new instruction support for the ISWA will be very clear because of the animated GIFs, but it will take some time to develop all the symbols...there are a lot of symbols in the ISWA!</div><div><br></div><div>And Stefan's illustrations are lovely too, I agree...</div><div><br></div><div>Andre - How did your SignWriting presentations at the Deaf conference go, in Canada, earlier this summer?</div><div><br></div><div>And thank you for your report about your research before...I was so pleased to read about your research and look forward to discussing it further, whenever you have some news...</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for writing!</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>-----------</font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">On Aug 21, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="#000000" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Hi Val, Adam and everyone,</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> It is very WONFERFUL for the photograph of the handshape. </font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> I hope Adam or Stefan will create photographs of the tooth, the eye, the mouth, the tongue, the lip...... they will help Deaf kids to learn easily.</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span></font><font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Adam, keep working!!!</font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> Hand waving</font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> André</font></font></font></strong></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>-------------------<br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="#000000" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><font></font></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></div><blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(255, 255, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">----- Original Message -----</font></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">From:</font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><a title="signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Valerie Sutton</font></a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">To:</font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><a title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">SignWriting List</font></a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Sent:</font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:26 AM</font></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Subject:</font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Re: [sw-l] Group descriptions</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">SignWriting List</font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">August 21, 2008</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Hello Ingvild!</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">It is so great to be in touch again. I hope you have had a great summer....I have! ;-))</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">And yes, of course, when the new ISWA is released officially it will be accompanied by instruction. I am writing several manuals on the ISWA, including some new web areas. They are only partially done. That is what Jonathan was referring to....he found this web area:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></div><div><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">SignWriting Symbol Lessons</font></b></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">International SignWriting Alphabet (ISWA</font></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/video/lessons/iswa"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">http://www.signwriting.org/video/lessons/iswa</font></a></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">As you can see, Adam Frost is creating some wonderful animated GIFs that show the symbol side by side with the photograph of the handshape, moving from palm facing to palm facing...</font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">But we have barely started...and the actual ISWA will not be released for at least a month...so when that times comes I hope to be prepared with the documents to support it...</font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">I am also doing a re-design of SymbolBank for the ISWA:</font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">SymbolBank</font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><a href="http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/</font></a></span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">And I would feel very fortunate indeed if you have the time to translate the materials into Norwegian...We could even create some Norwegian web areas that mirror the English one...</font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">So there is work ahead of us...But one thing that is good...the ISWA is an improvement over the IMWA...and I suspect we will be using the ISWA in a stable fashion for decades to come...so the instruction materials we create will really be used over a long period of time...</font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Thanks for your unending support -</font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Val ;-)</font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">------------------</font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">On Aug 21, 2008, at 2:50 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:</font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="word-spacing: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Arial; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Such descriptions would be useful. Then may there be a option for us to translate the descriptions into other languages than English? We of other countries would do his work, of course</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br>Ingvild</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br><br></font><hr><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:13:39 +0200<br>From:</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><a href="mailto:duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca</font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br>To:</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br>Subject: [sw-l] Group descriptions<br><br></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Hi Val,<br> I was wondering if the descriptions for the groups in the ISWA-2008 are available anywhere on the website yet. I have been looking for it but only found</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font><a class="EC_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=*" target="_blank"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=*</font></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">but it doesn't have the descriptions and </font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><a class="EC_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.signwriting.org/video/lessons/iswa/group01/" target="_blank"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">http://www.signwriting.org/video/lessons/iswa/group01/</font></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">but it isn´t complete for all of the groups in the ISWA just the first ones.<br><br>I am looking for something like<br></font></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><font size="1"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">01-01-001-01</font></font></font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Index Tight Fist<br></font></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><font size="1"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">01-01-002-01</font></font></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Index Open Fist<br></font></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><font size="1"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">01-01-003-01</font></font></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"> </font></span><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">Index Cup Base<br><br>But for all of the groups.<br><br>I understand that you are still putting the last touches to the ISWA and want to let you know that I am very grateful for all the hard work you and Steve have put into the symbols, I was looking at them the other day as I imported the ones that had come with the SWIS into my program and I like them a lot better than the IMWA. I'm that they will contribute to easier reading.<br><br>If there is anything I can do to help with getting the group descriptions together, let me know.<br><br>Jonathan<br><br></font></font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br></font><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br>List Archives and Help<br></font><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br>Change Email Settings<br></font><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</font></a></div></span></blockquote></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></div><hr><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br></font><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br>List Archives and Help<br></font><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br>Change Email Settings<br></font><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br></font></blockquote><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br></font><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br>List Archives and Help<br></font><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919"><br><br>Change Email Settings<br></font><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#191919">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</font></a></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>