<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SignWriting List</font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">September 21, 2008</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Hello Maria and Stefan!</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Thanks for this message. Stefan wrote to me a few hours ago to tell me that he is going on a field trip with his students this week, and he will be offline for one week. He is leaving tommorow morning...they will be at some kind of a youth hostel...sounds like fun! Have fun, Stefan!</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Yes, Maria, that is correct...Stefan's SpeechWriting can be applied to any spoken language, and is written from left to right most of the time, following the movement of the mouth while speaking a spoken language, and although it has been used mostly for German so far, it does work for other spoken languages too, and I am sure could be developed further to encompass more spoken languages...</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">And although I do not know anything about statistics, I do know that Stefan has told me that some of his students are pronouncing German words better and some are really speaking, because of SpeechWriting...</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Meanwhile, yes, SignWriting has always been used to write Mouthing and Grammatical Mouth Movements of Sign Languages...It all depends on how much detail we choose to write...not everyone chooses to write Mouthing, but it can be written with SignWriting is the writer chooses...</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">German.................................English</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Mundbildschrift.....................Woehrmann's SpeechWriting</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Mundbilder............................Mouthing</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Mundgestik...........................Sign Language Grammatical Mouth Movements</font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Maybe when Stefan returns he can explain more of SpeechWriting...or go to our area for Germany and download number 9 on this web page:</div></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000080" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000080" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">SignWriting in Germany</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000080" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><a href="http://www.SignWriting.org/germany">http://www.SignWriting.org/germany</a></span></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>---------------------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 21, 2008, at 3:44 PM, MARIA AZZOPARDI wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Thanks for the clarifications Valerie,<br><br>I think I now understand why Mundbilder and the Grammatical Mouth<br>Movements are included in ISWA and not the Mundbildscrift :) Only<br>Mundbilder and Grammatical Mouth Movements are part of sign languages<br>right?<br><br>The Mundbildscrift is the signwriting for all the phonemes in the German<br>language - and is rather a tool for the acquision of the spoken German<br>language right? wow this is really innovative! I think all speech<br>therapists around the world should have a Mundbildscrift (which would be<br>slightly different depending on the language of course) for working with<br>Deaf children! I am convinced that this would be of enormous help - well<br>done Stefan - the children can see the sounds :)) amazing. Stefan do you<br>have any statistics about the success of this so far?<br><br>Maria<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">SignWriting List<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">September 21, 2008<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 21, 2008, at 6:11 AM, MARIA AZZOPARDI wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm trying to figure out the exact mouth patterns for the signwriting<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">symbols.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Is there by any chance a list of the signwriting mouth patterns with<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">corresponding phonetic alphabet (IPA) letters that match the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">signwriting<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">symbols? Or perhaps photos/illustrations of the mouth patterns<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">produced by<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the signer with the correspoinding signwriting symbols?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Many thanks,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Maria<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Hello Maria and Stefan!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thank you for your message above, Maria, and I am happy to see that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Stefan has already answered you at length...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Let me try to explain it with English terminology...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If I make any mistakes, Stefan, please tell me...It would be great to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">get good terminology in English for your developments...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">A few years back, I asked Stefan to find a name for his invention and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">we decided that in English, we would call it Woehrmann's<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">SpeechWriting. In German, Stefan calls it Mundbildschrift.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Did you know about Woehrmann's SpeechWriting?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Stefan took the basic SignWriting mouth symbols, and then developed<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">them further, inventing a system for writing the mouth patterns of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">German speech, using an extended set of symbols...it is very exciting<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">because some of Stefan's students are actually learning to speak<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">German words better, because of his amazing SpeechWriting development.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Stefan also differentiates between SpeechWriting, and Mouthing...the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">movements of the mouth while signing...when signers mouth the way a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">word would be said, while they are using Sign Language...I believe<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Stefan calls this Mundbilder in German....is this correct, Stefan?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">And then there is a third set of mouth movements that are connected to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">native Sign Languages of the Deaf...that are not based on any spoken<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">language...like "PAH" and other mouth positions we all know...based on<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the grammatical needs of sign languages...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">So there are three kinds of writing the mouth:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1. SpeechWriting....or....Mundbildschrift in German<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">2. Mouthing.....or....Mundbilder in German<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">3. Sign Language mouth movements based on grammar....what is that in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">German?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Anyway, no matter what..there are three kinds! ;-))<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">And number 2 and 3 above are in the ISWA...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regarding more instruction for the ISWA symbols, including Facial<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Expressions, we have started a new place to learn the ISWA...it is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">still under construction, but you might want to look now...someday<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">there will be photos or other illustrations to help you learn the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">symbols...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ISWA 2008 Symbol Lessons<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You can also access the above page from the Lessons area:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">SignWriting Lessons<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.SignWriting.org/lessons">http://www.SignWriting.org/lessons</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Val ;-)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">____________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">SW-L SignWriting List<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Post Message<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">List Archives and Help<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Change Email Settings<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br></blockquote><br><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br><br>Change Email Settings<br>http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>