<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>September 28, 2008</div><div><br></div><div>Many thanks for the question, Natasha, and the answers, Adam and Ingvild!</div><div><br></div><div>Take a look at this "cool" new web page. The animated GIFs are by Adam Frost:<div><br></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><b>6 Palm Facings, Index Finger</b></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group01/01-01-001-01.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group01/01-01-001-01.html</a></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Of course these Index hands are pointing straight front rather than side, but nonetheless, it gives you a feeling for the palm facing...</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">The break at the knuckle joint means the "overhead view" of the handshape...just as Adam and Ingvild already explained...</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I have another diagram to show you next...but take a look at the above web page first...does it help?</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Val ;-)</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">----------------</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div><div>On Sep 28, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Ingvild Roald wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div id="MailContainerBody" style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 15px; WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" bgcolor="#ffffff" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" canvastabstop="true" name="Compose message area"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Adam is right. The second one is seen from above, from 'bird's perspective'. If it was seen the 'normal' way, in front of you, it would have been written by an all white palm. There are lots of hands that can be written both ways, depending of what the rest of the sign is written like. It seems it's easiest to read if you stick to one perspective per sign whenever possible.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ingvild, Norway</font></div> <div style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"> <div><br></div> <div style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="icemandeaf@gmail.com" href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">Adam Frost</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 29, 2008 12:38 AM</div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
CTRL + klikk for å følge kobling" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</a> </div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [sw-l] Group 1 handshape symbol differentiation</div></div></div> <div><br></div>The first one would have your palm facing the ground while the second would have your palm facing you. I hope this helps. <div><br></div> <div>Adam</div> <div><br> <div> <div>On Sep 28, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Natasha Escalada-Westland wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"> <div class="hmmessage" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Could someone please explain to me the differences between the following two symbols and how they might be used (or give examples of signs).<br><p style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px" align="left"> </p> <div align="left"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-01-001-01-02-03&color=000000" atl="01-01-001-01-02-03"></div> <div align="left"> </div> <div align="left"> </div> <div align="left"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-01-001-01-05-03&color=000000" atl="01-01-001-01-05-03"></div> <br>It seems to me that one of them might be physically or logically impossible, but I am fairly new at this.<br>Thank you! <br><br>Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.<br>Westland Progeny,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><a href="http://www.westlandprogeny.com/" target="_blank">www.westlandprogeny.com</a><br><a href="http://www.westlandasl.com/" target="_blank">www.westlandasl.com</a><br><br><br> <br><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br><br>Change Email Settings<br>http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</div> <br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br><br>Change Email Settings<br>http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>