<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>As has been mentioned before, SignWriting is not glossing. That can be a very easy mistake. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Fortunately, some of use know glossing because of other venues. For the general user, IX and Pro-1 are the same because they both refer to the pointing of the index finger (as Cherie has mentioned). However, if you are using glossing in more of a research matter, the difference between "pointing at an object or location" verses "pointing to refer to an object or location that isn't necessarily there" is shown by IX and Pro-1 respectively.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps you out, and if you have any other questions I am sure someone will have an answer. Hopefully more directly related to SignWriting, but nonetheless. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Adam <br><br>On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:46 PM, "Cherie Wren" <<a href="mailto:cwterp@yahoo.com">cwterp@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>IX and Pro-1 are both pointing. Those are ways to write Signs using English symbols/characters. SignWriting is a whole different thing, where the signs are written using symbols that look like the signs themselves. look in the Sign Puddle to see examples of sign writing. Welcome to the group!<br><br>cherie<br></div><div style="font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SignWriting List <<a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Valerie
Sutton <<a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 20, 2008 7:28:32 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] glossing<br></font><br>
SignWriting List<div>October 20. 2008</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Patricia L. Place-Kinghorn wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I am trying to learn glossing and am confused. IX and Pro-1 seem the same to me, for example. Also, I hope my question is posted to the correct place. Thanks, Tricia Place-Kinghorn</div></blockquote><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hello Tricia!</div><div>Thank you for this message. And welcome to the SignWriting List. Yes. You posted your question in the right place!</div><div><br></div><div>Do you know about SignWriting? It writes the movements and facial expressions of sign languages with symbols, taking away the need for word-glosses...</div><div><br></div><div>But we do have a cool translation program where you can type in the English word-glosses and get the equivalent in written signs in SignWriting. Would you like to learn how to do that for your class? I bet
they will be amazed...</div><div><br></div><div>Write again here to the List and tell me if you are interested in learning how to use the SignPuddle Translation program...</div><div><br></div><div>What is IX and Pro-1? You can teach me too ;-))</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><div style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px;"><div style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><div style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;">Val ;-)</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><div style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><div style=""><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;
min-height: 14px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">Valerie Sutton</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 240);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Sutton@SignWriting.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Sutton@SignWriting.org"><a href="mailto:Sutton@SignWriting.org">Sutton@SignWriting.org</a></a></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">1. SignWriting</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">Read & Write Sign Languages</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal;
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