<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think you need to give a clearer example so I can be sure I am understanding your meaning. <div><br></div><div>Stuart</div><div><div><div>On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:09 , Adam Frost wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The rotations on a handshape are not ordered by left and right rotations because some rotations can be done by both hands at different moments. This is very rare, but very important to remember when using SignText. The reason is that people will have the same thoughts that Andre just had. I have gotten into the same trap myself, but it is important to find the handshape that looks closest to the way the hand looks in real like, not where it would be if you followed the rotations because our arms don't always bend that way. ;-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 19, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I am confused as to what you mean by the handshapes are not necessarily right or left?<div><br></div><div>Stuart<br><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:50 , Valerie Sutton wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>November 19, 2008</div><div><br><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">On Nov 19, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Hi Adam and everyone,</span></font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font face="Arial"></font></span></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> See the attached diagram. I use the left hand for the sign HAMBURGER. I cannot read or see your writing.</span></font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font face="Arial"></font></span></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> André</span></font></font></font></strong></div></span></blockquote><br></div><div>---------</div><div><br></div><div>Andre -</div><div>See my attached diagram...The two handshapes you chose are not necessarily right or left...it is better to choose the handshapes based on how the hand looks in real life as much as possible...</div><div><br></div><div>So the fingers need to be directed up in this case, not down...please see attached diagram...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span><Right-Left.jpg></span></div><br></div></div>= <br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>= <br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br>http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</blockquote></div><br></div></div>= <br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br><br>Change Email Settings<br>http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=