<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Sorry that you couldn't see my writing. Val has it in her email she just sent. I think I understand what you are thinking. Here is something that helped me.<div><br></div><div>First thing you have to realize is that there are some handshapes that are a little different, but mean the same thing. Such is the case here. Here are pairs of the same palm orientations.</div><div><br></div><div><img height="26" width="24" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:B2FBC64A-7645-4AC6-B1F3-701C038C5B1C@socal.rr.com"><img height="26" width="24" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:79442341-499A-4E4D-847E-0698E2E46082@socal.rr.com"> "Right hand" *</div><div><br></div><div><img height="26" width="24" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:8DDD2E49-613D-4A77-9B30-D9D3FA6B0EB8@socal.rr.com"><img height="26" width="24" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:F201C06B-29D5-4860-BCE6-A47AC98F85FB@socal.rr.com">"Left hand" *</div><div><br></div><div>Now, I generally would pick the handshape with the fingers going up verses going down because the palm is facing up in real life. That is also why your students choose it that way also. Even though the other would be correct, reading it would be difficult. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br></div><div>*Notice that I put left and right in quotations. That is because there are no true left and right handshapes, but they are commonly used as one or the other.</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 19, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div bgcolor="#000000" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><strong><font face="Arial" color="#ffff00" size="6">Hi Adam and everyone,</font></strong></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></strong> </div><div><strong><font face="Arial" color="#ffff00" size="6"> See the attached diagram. I use the left hand for the sign HAMBURGER. I cannot read or see your writing.</font></strong></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></strong> </div><div><strong><font face="Arial" color="#ffff00" size="6"> André</font></strong></div><blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(255, 255, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="icemandeaf@gmail.com" href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">Adam Frost</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:00 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [sw-l] HAMBURGER</div><div><br></div><div><div>I personally would write hamburger like this. I am not sure what you are saying with (D).</div><div><br></div><div><img height="47" src="cid:FB5FBF97-75DD-4A6B-8A3F-606D3220919E@socal.rr.com" width="32" apple-height="yes" apple-width="yes"></div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br></div><div>On Nov 19, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>November 19, 2008</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Andre!</div><div>Thank you for this question.</div><div><br></div><div>Actually, none of them are correct!</div><div><br></div><div>I will write a new email message explaining how to write the sign, plus explain the SignSpelling Rule called "Always write the Position of Contact"...</div><div><br></div><div>So watch for my next message...</div><div><br></div><div>And Stefan and Adam...please feel free to teach also...I welcome your excellent advice, diagrams and explanations...</div><div><br></div><div>And I hope everyone will continue to ask questions for feedback on your writing...it is very helpful to everyone who uses SignWriting, to discuss spelling issues...</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>-------------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">On Nov 19, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="word-spacing: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Arial; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="#000000"><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Hi Val, Adam, Stefan and everyone,</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"></font> </div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> I went to the school for the Deaf this morning. Deaf students were excited to see me. One Deaf kid wanted me to show her a sign for HAMBURGER in LSQ in the computer. However, Deaf kids were confused because they figured out it and didn't read it easily.</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"></font> </div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> According to the rule (see the attached diagram (D), the sign for HAMBURGER (A) is correct. But other signs for HAMBURGER (B) and (C) aren't correct. But, Deaf kids read easily (B) and (C).</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"></font> </div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> Regards,</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"></font> </div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> André</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></strong> <span><SW HAMBURGER.doc></span></div><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a></blockquote></div><br><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br></blockquote><span><SW left and right hands.doc></span><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>