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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> Val, thank
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> I think
so. I already mentioned that it is very important for me to understand how
to acquire contraints of linguistic and learn phonological analysis for
different SW symbols. You mention that the difference is between
"beginning readers and writers" , and "skilled readers and
writers." That is a good question!!! A Deaf teacher and
Deaf students are beginning readers and writers. They don't prefer to use
mixed planes if using movements to right or left sides.
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] Movement to the
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<DIV>November 27, 2008</DIV>
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<DIV>Just a quick thought from me...</DIV>
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<DIV>I believe it is related to "beginning readers and writers" and "skilled
readers and writers"...</DIV>
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<DIV>When we first started writing, with 10 native ASL signers, back in the
1980's, we all started writing in Receptive mode, and horizontally and from
left to right...</DIV>
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<DIV>Then, with experience, the writers requested Expressive and writing down
in vertical columns...but that did not happen immediately...it took experience
and lots of writing to become aware of what was needed...</DIV>
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<DIV>Then, we began thinking that if the hands are parallel to the Floor
Plane, then the side arrows should be on the Floor Plane too with single
stems, and the planes should not be "mixed"...</DIV>
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<DIV>But that is not true...over time we learned that, as we became more
skilled in reading and writing literature, that a skilled reader or writer is
able to mix planes without a problem...</DIV>
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<DIV>So you might find that in time, the same Deaf students who did not want
to mix planes in the beginning, will change their minds, over time, when their
skills improve...</DIV>
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<DIV>It is my experience, that mixing a single stemmed arrow to the side, with
the hands parallel to the Wall plane, is not a problem for skilled readers and
writers, whether they are Deaf or hearing, whether they are young or
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<DIV>That is our experience so far...</DIV>
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<DIV>Of course, arrows to the side can be either double stemmed or single
stemmed and they are not wrong either way...but just remember the skill of the
student is part of the picture...this will be important for your
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<DIV>Val ;-)</DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 27, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>Hi Adam, Stefan and
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> Adam
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Stefan, I prefer a single-stemmed arrows (left or right side). But I
respect that Deaf teacher and Deaf kids prefer the hand on the wall plane
(double-stemmed arrows) (only right or left side) and other hand on the
floor plane (single-stemmed arrows) (only right or left side). Deaf
teacher told me that Deaf students were succesful to read fast (B) than
(A).</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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André</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
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Andrè,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with
Adams comment – it doesn’t matter. – smile – From my point of view – I
prefer single stemmed arrows if the movement is directly to the left or
right side. But this attitude developed over time – I guess it is a matter
of clear structure .. .<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sometimes I
hesitate if I should vote for top – down or frontview if a
handorientation allows both options ... and in the past we discussed
this point that almost always both hands in a sign should be written – (if
possible) from the same point of view ( both hands top down, or both hands
front view) But even here I decide to violate this “principle” if anything
seems to prevent the reader to understand intuitively and alost without
any hesitation.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So – my opinion –
left and right movement – (if they are meant to be straight to the left
and straight to the right) c a n be written with
both arrows ( double stemmed and sinle stemmed) but in these cases I
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Yes, (A) and (B) are correct or the same. But Deaf students'thinking
is different from your thinking. For example, Deaf students develop
a phonological analysis for different SW symbols (hand on the floor or
wall plane and single-stemmed arrow (floor plane) and double-stemmed arrow
(wall plane)). Deaf students found that they are more comfortable to
read (B) than (A) because of the same wall planes. It is
very important for me to understand how to acquire and learn a
phonological analysis for Deaf kids, not Deaf adults. For example, a
Deaf kid who is 7 years old is able to read (B) more easy than
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I don't doubt that older kids are able to read either (A) and (B) than
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday, November 27, 2008
11:03 AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [sw-l] Movement to the
side<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The
difference between using the single stem arrow and double stem for side
movements is just writers preference. Either is still correct. So (A)
and (B) are the same. (C) and (D) have the hands on the floor plane
which is different from (A) and (B). I am not surprise that the deaf
students are talking about floor and wall planes.
;-)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Adam<BR><BR>On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:15 AM, "Gagnon
et Thibeault" <<A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca">atg@videotron.ca</A>>
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; COLOR: yellow; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Val,
Adam, Stefan and
everyone,</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; COLOR: yellow; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
It is interesting that Deaf students talked about a front view and a
top view.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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See my attached diagram. This is my writing (A) (DEFENDRE
(French) = INTERDICT (English). Deaf students are confused to
read it because they stopped reading and figured out it. Several
Deaf students explained that the two hands are parallel with the front
wall (front view), and the movement to the side with the
single-stemmed arrows is viewed from the floor (top view).
They suggested that the two hands are parallel with the front wall
(front view), and the movement to the side with the double-stemmed
arrows is viewed from the front wall (front view) (See the
attached diagram (B) because Deaf students read it easily (the same
front view). They told Deaf teacher if they use the two
hands which are parallel with the floor, they use the movement to the
side with the single-stemmed arrows whhich is viewed from the floor
(top view) (See the attached diagram (C). They don't want to use
(D) since they aren't conformtable to read
it.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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I can't believe that Deaf students understand a concept of the front
view and the top
view.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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I adopt Deaf
students'proposal.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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Regards,</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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André</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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