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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with Adams
comment – it doesn’t matter. – smile – From my point of view – I prefer single stemmed
arrows if the movement is directly to the left or right side. But this attitude
developed over time – I guess it is a matter of clear structure .. . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sometimes I hesitate if I
should vote for top – down or frontview if a handorientation allows both
options ... and in the past we discussed this point that almost always both
hands in a sign should be written – (if possible) from the same point of view (
both hands top down, or both hands front view) But even here I decide to
violate this “principle” if anything seems to prevent the reader to understand
intuitively and alost without any hesitation. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So – my opinion – left and
right movement – (if they are meant to be straight to the left and straight to
the right) c a n be written with both arrows ( double stemmed and sinle
stemmed) but in these cases I always vote for the single stemmed arrows.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Gagnon et Thibeault<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Donnerstag, 27. November
2008 18:04<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SignWriting List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] Movement to
the side</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'>Hi Adam and everyone,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> Yes,
(A) and (B) are correct or the same. But Deaf students'thinking is
different from your thinking. For example, Deaf students develop a
phonological analysis for different SW symbols (hand on the floor or wall plane
and single-stemmed arrow (floor plane) and double-stemmed arrow (wall
plane)). Deaf students found that they are more comfortable to read (B)
than (A) because of the same wall planes. It is very important
for me to understand how to acquire and learn a phonological analysis for Deaf
kids, not Deaf adults. For example, a Deaf kid who is 7 years old is able
to read (B) more easy than (A) according to Deaf teacher.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> I
don't doubt that older kids are able to read either (A) and (B) than younger
kids.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> Regards,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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André</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" title="icemandeaf@gmail.com">Adam Frost</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, November
27, 2008 11:03 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [sw-l]
Movement to the side<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The difference between using the single stem arrow and double stem for
side movements is just writers preference. Either is still correct. So (A) and
(B) are the same. (C) and (D) have the hands on the floor plane which is
different from (A) and (B). I am not surprise that the deaf students are
talking about floor and wall planes. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Adam<br>
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On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:15 AM, "Gagnon et Thibeault" <<a
href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca">atg@videotron.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'>Hi Val, Adam, Stefan
and everyone,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> It
is interesting that Deaf students talked about a front view and a top view.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> See
my attached diagram. This is my writing (A) (DEFENDRE (French) =
INTERDICT (English). Deaf students are confused to read it because they
stopped reading and figured out it. Several Deaf students explained that
the two hands are parallel with the front wall (front view), and the movement
to the side with the single-stemmed arrows is viewed from the floor (top
view). They suggested that the two hands are parallel with the
front wall (front view), and the movement to the side with the double-stemmed
arrows is viewed from the front wall (front view) (See the attached
diagram (B) because Deaf students read it easily (the same front view).
They told Deaf teacher if they use the two hands which are parallel with
the floor, they use the movement to the side with the single-stemmed arrows
whhich is viewed from the floor (top view) (See the attached diagram (C).
They don't want to use (D) since they aren't conformtable to read it.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> I
can't believe that Deaf students understand a concept of the front view and the
top view.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> I
adopt Deaf students'proposal.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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Regards,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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André</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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