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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi KJ and list, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>well from my point of view
there is no need for any change in this matter. – smile – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And Andrč, well during my
workshops I often understand that the beginners support themselves with some
guidelines that help them to learn with less insecurity. That is fine –
so no problem if they prefer double stemmed arrows – From the teachers
point of view I would not insist too much on this but just accept their writing
( if they really would write themselves that would be a tremendous achievement)
At the same time I would follow the principles we know from other fields of
instructions – just do not repeat what you yourself would judge to be
wrong – but instead offer your “other” solution. That is the
same principle as hearing babys learn to talk and deaf babys learn to sign. Why
not accept special favorite options to beginners ... smile ... no problem with
that. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Within this context –
well I have my doubts – perhaps this habit to vote for double stemmed
arrows is connected to the teaching method. Often SW-instruction courses start
with hands parallel to the wall – so all these movements up and down and
circular and diagonal ... are associated with double stemmed movement arrows. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is always a critical
point if you have to explain the writing of a flat hand pointing directly to
the right or left – now the participants understand that it is up to you to
see this hand from top down or from frontview and this will lead to the
association that if you vote for frontview you are better of with the double
stemmed arrow whereas the single stemmed arrows would allow only the exact to
the right or exact to the left movement. Advanced and experienced scribes and
readers prefer spellings with a minimum of “strokes” and “circles”
as long as the idea can be described in a way that the “informed reader”
understands what is to be performed. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So no extra regulations
needed – smile – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordo</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>mo.valenciacc.edu]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>KJ<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 28. November
2008 05:27<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SignWriting List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] Movement to
the side</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I feel the same way, Stefan - I always write single stemmed
arrows for side-to-side movement. But it is interesting what Andre had to
say... I didn't think about connecting the single-stemmed arrows with floor
plane handshapes and double-stemmed arrows with wall plane handshapes. It
makes sense to me, though! And if the kids feel it is easier to read when
the arrow stems match the handshape plane, then maybe we should think about
adopting that as a convention... </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com"
title="stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com">Stefan Wöhrmann</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">'SignWriting List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, November
27, 2008 10:42 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> AW: [sw-l]
Movement to the side<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Andrč, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with Adams
comment – it doesn’t matter. – smile – From my point of
view – I prefer single stemmed arrows if the movement is directly to the
left or right side. But this attitude developed over time – I guess it is
a matter of clear structure .. . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sometimes I hesitate if I
should vote for top – down or frontview if a handorientation
allows both options ... and in the past we discussed this point that
almost always both hands in a sign should be written – (if possible) from
the same point of view ( both hands top down, or both hands front view) But
even here I decide to violate this “principle” if anything seems to
prevent the reader to understand intuitively and alost without any hesitation. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So – my opinion
– left and right movement – (if they are meant to be straight to
the left and straight to the right) c a n be written
with both arrows ( double stemmed and sinle stemmed) but in these cases I always
vote for the single stemmed arrows.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
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sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Gagnon et Thibeault<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Donnerstag, 27. November
2008 18:04<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SignWriting List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] Movement to
the side</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'>Hi Adam and everyone,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> Yes,
(A) and (B) are correct or the same. But Deaf students'thinking is
different from your thinking. For example, Deaf students develop a
phonological analysis for different SW symbols (hand on the floor or wall plane
and single-stemmed arrow (floor plane) and double-stemmed arrow (wall
plane)). Deaf students found that they are more comfortable to read (B)
than (A) because of the same wall planes. It is very important
for me to understand how to acquire and learn a phonological analysis for Deaf
kids, not Deaf adults. For example, a Deaf kid who is 7 years old is able
to read (B) more easy than (A) according to Deaf teacher.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> I
don't doubt that older kids are able to read either (A) and (B) than younger
kids.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> Regards,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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André</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" title="icemandeaf@gmail.com">Adam Frost</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, November
27, 2008 11:03 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [sw-l]
Movement to the side<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The difference between using the single stem arrow and double stem for
side movements is just writers preference. Either is still correct. So (A) and
(B) are the same. (C) and (D) have the hands on the floor plane which is
different from (A) and (B). I am not surprise that the deaf students are
talking about floor and wall planes. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Adam<br>
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On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:15 AM, "Gagnon et Thibeault" <<a
href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca">atg@videotron.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'>Hi Val, Adam, Stefan
and everyone,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> It
is interesting that Deaf students talked about a front view and a top view.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> See
my attached diagram. This is my writing (A) (DEFENDRE (French) =
INTERDICT (English). Deaf students are confused to read it because they
stopped reading and figured out it. Several Deaf students explained that
the two hands are parallel with the front wall (front view), and the movement
to the side with the single-stemmed arrows is viewed from the floor (top
view). They suggested that the two hands are parallel with the
front wall (front view), and the movement to the side with the double-stemmed
arrows is viewed from the front wall (front view) (See the attached
diagram (B) because Deaf students read it easily (the same front view).
They told Deaf teacher if they use the two hands which are parallel with
the floor, they use the movement to the side with the single-stemmed arrows
whhich is viewed from the floor (top view) (See the attached diagram (C).
They don't want to use (D) since they aren't conformtable to read it.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> I
can't believe that Deaf students understand a concept of the front view and the
top view.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=yellow face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow'> I
adopt Deaf students'proposal.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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