<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><span></span><br><div><div>Le 28 nov. 08 à 12:14, Stefan Wöhrmann a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi KJ and list, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">well from my point of view there is no need for any change in this matter. – smile – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">And Andrè, well during my workshops I often understand that the beginners support themselves with some guidelines that help them to learn with less insecurity. That is fine – so no problem if they prefer double stemmed arrows – From the teachers point of view I would not insist too much on this but just accept their writing ( if they really would write themselves that would be a tremendous achievement) At the same time I would follow the principles we know from other fields of instructions – just do not repeat what you yourself would judge to be wrong – but instead offer your “other” solution. That is the same principle as hearing babys learn to talk and deaf babys learn to sign. Why not accept special favorite options to beginners ... smile ... no problem with that. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Within this context – well I have my doubts – perhaps this habit to vote for double stemmed arrows is connected to the teaching method. Often SW-instruction courses start with hands parallel to the wall – so all these movements up and down and circular and diagonal ... are associated with double stemmed movement arrows. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">It is always a critical point if you have to explain the writing of a flat hand pointing directly to the right or left – now the participants understand that it is up to you to see this hand from top down or from frontview and this will lead to the association that if you vote for frontview you are better of with the double stemmed arrow whereas the single stemmed arrows would allow only the exact to the right or exact to the left movement. Advanced and experienced scribes and readers prefer spellings with a minimum of “strokes” and “circles” as long as the idea can be described in a way that the “informed reader” understands what is to be performed. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">So no extra regulations needed – smile – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu [<a href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordo">mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordo</a></span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">mo.valenciacc.edu] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Im Auftrag von </span></b>KJ<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 28. November 2008 05:27<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">An:</span></b> SignWriting List<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Betreff:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] Movement to the side</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">I feel the same way, Stefan - I always write single stemmed arrows for side-to-side movement. But it is interesting what Andre had to say... I didn't think about connecting the single-stemmed arrows with floor plane handshapes and double-stemmed arrows with wall plane handshapes. It makes sense to me, though! And if the kids feel it is easier to read when the arrow stems match the handshape plane, then maybe we should think about adopting that as a convention... </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">KJ</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="font-color:black"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com" title="stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com">Stefan Wöhrmann</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">To:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">'SignWriting List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:42 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> AW: [sw-l] Movement to the side<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi Andrè, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I agree with Adams comment – it doesn’t matter. – smile – From my point of view – I prefer single stemmed arrows if the movement is directly to the left or right side. But this attitude developed over time – I guess it is a matter of clear structure .. . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sometimes I hesitate if I should vote for top – down or frontview if a handorientation allows both options ... and in the past we discussed this point that almost always both hands in a sign should be written – (if possible) from the same point of view ( both hands top down, or both hands front view) But even here I decide to violate this “principle” if anything seems to prevent the reader to understand intuitively and alost without any hesitation. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">So – my opinion – left and right movement – (if they are meant to be straight to the left and straight to the right) c a n be written with both arrows ( double stemmed and sinle stemmed) but in these cases I always vote for the single stemmed arrows.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu [<a href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Gagnon et Thibeault<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Gesendet:</span></b> Donnerstag, 27. November 2008 18:04<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">An:</span></b> SignWriting List<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Betreff:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] Movement to the side</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow">Hi Adam and everyone,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow"> Yes, (A) and (B) are correct or the same. But Deaf students'thinking is different from your thinking. For example, Deaf students develop a phonological analysis for different SW symbols (hand on the floor or wall plane and single-stemmed arrow (floor plane) and double-stemmed arrow (wall plane)). Deaf students found that they are more comfortable to read (B) than (A) because of the same wall planes. It is very important for me to understand how to acquire and learn a phonological analysis for Deaf kids, not Deaf adults. For example, a Deaf kid who is 7 years old is able to read (B) more easy than (A) according to Deaf teacher.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow"> I don't doubt that older kids are able to read either (A) and (B) than younger kids.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow"> Regards,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow"> André</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid yellow 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="font-color:black"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" title="icemandeaf@gmail.com">Adam Frost</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">To:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Thursday, November 27, 2008 11:03 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Re: [sw-l] Movement to the side<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt">The difference between using the single stem arrow and double stem for side movements is just writers preference. Either is still correct. So (A) and (B) are the same. (C) and (D) have the hands on the floor plane which is different from (A) and (B). I am not surprise that the deaf students are talking about floor and wall planes. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Adam<br> <br> On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:15 AM, "Gagnon et Thibeault" <<a href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca">atg@videotron.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" type="cite"> <div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow">Hi Val, Adam, Stefan and everyone,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow"> It is interesting that Deaf students talked about a front view and a top view.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow"> See my attached diagram. This is my writing (A) (DEFENDRE (French) = INTERDICT (English). Deaf students are confused to read it because they stopped reading and figured out it. Several Deaf students explained that the two hands are parallel with the front wall (front view), and the movement to the side with the single-stemmed arrows is viewed from the floor (top view). They suggested that the two hands are parallel with the front wall (front view), and the movement to the side with the double-stemmed arrows is viewed from the front wall (front view) (See the attached diagram (B) because Deaf students read it easily (the same front view). They told Deaf teacher if they use the two hands which are parallel with the floor, they use the movement to the side with the single-stemmed arrows whhich is viewed from the floor (top view) (See the attached diagram (C). They don't want to use (D) since they aren't conformtable to read it.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow"> I can't believe that Deaf students understand a concept of the front view and the top view.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow"> I adopt Deaf students'proposal.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow"> Regards,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="6" color="yellow" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:yellow"> André</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" type="cite"> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" 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