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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>Hi
Steve,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> I would
like to inform you that I cannot see all black backgrounds Ihand groups and
hand symbols). I can see only animated GIF.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> Best
regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>
André</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=signwriting@mac.com href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">Valerie
Sutton</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=frost@signwriting.org
href="mailto:frost@signwriting.org">Adam Frost</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA
Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...</DIV>
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<DIV>November 30, 2008</DIV>
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<DIV>Hello Everyone!</DIV>
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<DIV>Adam Frost has created animated GIFs of the ISWA handshapes in Group 1,
Group 2 and Group 3...</DIV>
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<DIV>Group 3 is around one-third completed...</DIV>
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<DIV>Go to:</DIV>
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<DIV>ISWA Animated GIFs Hands</DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/category1.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/category1.html</A></DIV>
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<DIV>And click on Groups 1, 2 and 3 to enjoy viewing Adam's animated
handshapes with palm facing changes...</DIV>
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<DIV>And you can move from one handshape to the next, using the navigation
arrows on the top of each page...it is fun to watch them in succession....one
handshape after the other!</DIV>
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<DIV>These are very useful...I am planning to add signs that use these
handshapes, written in SignWriting, underneath the animated GIFs...some have
some signs already...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Val ;-)</DIV>
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<DIV>-----------</DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Adam Frost wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV
style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">After
some searching, I found the webpage with the GIF that I created. It
isn't preatty yet because there is still some working being done, but it is
here none the less.
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<DIV><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group02/01-02-004-01.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group02/01-02-004-01.html</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Adam</DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Adam Frost wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV
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love this question, and I will tell you why. It shows that you have a
handle on these handshapes, and you are thinking in real world sense.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As a Lexiconian in the truest sense (I'd love to make an
ASL equivalent to the Webster Dictionary, but that would be a
life work. *wink*), I have made the same observations that you have just
made. I have also noticed that it is rare for native users to realize that
they have their hands the way that you have just described. This is the
reason that the ASL Puddle, which is a collaborative dictionary, usually
has the first set. The other reason is that most people can read the first
set easier than the latter. ;-) The reason I mention this is if and when I
were able to create and ASL Webster-like dictionary, then there would be
something about this in the usage
or pronunciation guide. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I know that I am not teaching your class, so I don't know the
students. But if I were teaching a class that I felt could handle it, I
would include both in the lessons and tell them that the first set is more
of a novice way of signing as well as the visual image of how a native
internally imagines their signing but are actually doing it the
second way. The reason is in order to do the first set the elbow has to be
in an awkward position or the wrist has to be painfully bent,
whereas the latter set does not.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>So now that I have rambled, I will answer your questions. :-) If
you want to have those concepts in the ASL Puddle, you are more than
welcome to add them. In fact, I think it is better to have both of them so
that people can compare. As for your second question, I have been creating
GIFs of all of the current handshapes. Because of everyone
being swamped with so many projects, it is coming along very
slowly. I have done these handshapes that you have mentioned, but I don't
know if they have been put up on the website yet. I am not sure exactly
why you are asking because you do understand it just fine. I am also
surprised that there isn't anything about the latter set of handshapes on
the website. I just find that odd. So I will check to see if my GIFs are
on the website or not. If not, maybe I can figure something out.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hope this helps, and I am glad that Val caught this in Digest because
I never saw it. As always feel free to ask questions. It is the way to
learn. ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Adam</DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>From: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">"Natasha
Escalada-Westland" <<A
href="mailto:shash90@hotmail.com">shash90@hotmail.com</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>Date: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">November 30, 2008
7:33:52 AM PST<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>To: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">"SignWriting
Listserve" <<A
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>Subject: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>[sw-l] Handshape
question, "Stand" and "Look"</B><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>Reply-To: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">"SignWriting List"
<<A
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV><BR><BR>Greetings
SW colleagues,<BR> <BR>I am developing a lesson on teaching
classifers and I am debating which handshapes to use in my
presentation. The ASL signpuddle dictionary cites:<BR> <BR>
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<DIV align=left><SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; COLOR: rgb(20,79,174); -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1"><SPAN><symbol.php></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
a<FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>nd
</FONT><SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><SPAN><symbol.php></SPAN> as the
handshapes for "stand" and "look-at"
respectively.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>As I look at
myself signing these, and </FONT>as I think of using them as classifiers
to describe types or ways of standing or looking-at, I see the following
actual handshapes used:</DIV>
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<DIV align=left> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; COLOR: rgb(20,79,174); -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1"><SPAN><symbol.php></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> and
<SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; COLOR: rgb(20,79,174); -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1"><SPAN><symbol.php></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=left> </DIV>
<DIV align=left>The "Lessons in SignWriting Web Gallery" explanation of
Handshape group 2 doesn't include the above handsapes,
although I do understand them to mean index and middle fingers bent
slightly at the proximal knuckle.</DIV>
<DIV align=left> </DIV>
<DIV align=left>First question... Do the signs in the ASL
SignPuddle need to be updated as written for these concepts? To
keep the fingers straight requires unnatural lifting of the shoulder and
elbow.</DIV>
<DIV align=left> </DIV>
<DIV align=left>Second question... is there an updated lesson book or
handshape list that includes the second set of handshapes somwhere on
the SignWriting website?</DIV>
<DIV align=left> </DIV>
<DIV align=left>Thank you!</DIV><BR>Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed.
(D/HH), Macromedia Cert.<BR><A
href="http://www.westlandasl.com/">www.westlandasl.com</A></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR>____________________________________________<BR><BR>SW-L
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