<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>November 30, 2008</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Stefan and everyone -</div><div>That is a shame about the problems with the SW List...I will call Florida tomorrow about it...</div><div><br></div><div>Meanwhile, there are actually two Archives for the SW List...they work differently and that is good so that if one message doesn't have a diagram, in the other Archive, it might, so I check both from time to time... </div><div><br></div><div>Go to the SW List homepage:</div><div><br></div><div>SW List</div><div><a href="http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/swlist">http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/swlist</a></div><div><br></div><div>and click on either Archive 3 or 4...</div><div><br></div><div>I believe the one you mention below, Stefan, is Archive 4...</div><div><br></div><div>I am happy the Archives are there for us!</div><div><br></div><div>And we are also very fortunate to have the free SW List all setup for us...it is a gift from the college and I am thankful everyday for the communication it brings all of us...</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your responses to Natasha and everyone...</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>-------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">Hi sw-list friends,... Valerie, Natasha<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">first of all – Valerie – yes there are problems with the list – I do not get all the postings either into my mailbox – hm – but I check the postings in the sw- archive<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/pipermail/sw-l/" title="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/pipermail/sw-l/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/pipermail/sw-l/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">once a day –<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">second: handshape question : stand – look<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">Well Natasha – the good point about SW is that you have lots of options to write as detailed as you want to. Just for the purpose of a clear and easy to understand lexical entry it makes sense to at least add these fundamental hand shape – orientations ... and if you want – or if you feel more comfortable you may want to add the somehow more difficult to read second version with fingers at a given angle ( and now handwriting offers any degree – smile)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">Compared to photos or drawings our SW-notation is much more accurate – smile - but nevertheles – one thing is the spelling of the “Movement-Writing” - the other part is the “informed reader” – so if your reader is already aware of what you want to express it should not be a problem ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">I can read your first graphic for “Look” without any problem.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">I guess that you do not want palm up/ fingers up - in your second graphic for fingers at an hinge – “Stand “ ??<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">(my first posting did not come through – hm – hope this works)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><br><hr>Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.spamfighter.com/lde" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SPAMfighter</a>, die bisher<br>443 Spammails entfernt und mir so eine Menge Zeit gespart hat.<br>Rund 5,6 Millionen Leute nutzen SPAMfighter schon<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>