<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>November 30, 2008</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Everyone and Natasha!</div><div>It is a good thing I receive both the Digest and the normal mail version of the SignWriting List messages, or I would never have seen this message from Natasha, pasted below. It only came into the Digest for me, but did not come to my email box, so I guess the SW List software, that manages all the messages, is not working perfectly...as you know, the SW List software is managed at Valencia Community College in Florida, and I have no control over how it is setup...But I will write to their technicians to see if we can figure it out...anyway...thank you, Natasha, for your message below, and I will be happy to answer it shortly...and I hope others will also answer it...I love the way we all chime in and give our feedback to each other...it is a wonderful experience, isn't it, to share like this...</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>-------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Natasha Escalada-Westland" <<a href="mailto:shash90@hotmail.com">shash90@hotmail.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">November 30, 2008 7:33:52 AM PST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"SignWriting Listserve" <<a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>[sw-l] Handshape question, "Stand" and "Look"</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To: </b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"SignWriting List" <<a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br></span></div><br><br>Greetings SW colleagues,<br> <br>I am developing a lesson on teaching classifers and I am debating which handshapes to use in my presentation. The ASL signpuddle dictionary cites:<br> <br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br></div><div align="left"><img atl="01-02-001-01-01-05" height="30" width="19" src="cid:EB169D1B-72DB-4635-9631-04D07748CADA"> and <img atl="01-02-001-01-06-01" height="30" width="19" src="cid:628EBEB9-48A8-43C4-8895-AA4462EEA5ED"> as the handshapes for "stand" and "look-at" respectively.</div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left">As I look at myself signing these, and as I think of using them as classifiers to describe types or ways of standing or looking-at, I see the following actual handshapes used:</div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left"><img atl="01-02-004-01-04-05" height="23" width="23" src="cid:51334809-2352-4C9A-9E7B-A13B092BC504"> and <img atl="01-02-004-01-03-01" height="23" width="23" src="cid:F4123C70-6654-4218-9CF4-A93568D9DFDE"></div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left">The "Lessons in SignWriting Web Gallery" explanation of Handshape group 2 doesn't include the above handsapes, although I do understand them to mean index and middle fingers bent slightly at the proximal knuckle.</div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left">First question... Do the signs in the ASL SignPuddle need to be updated as written for these concepts? To keep the fingers straight requires unnatural lifting of the shoulder and elbow.</div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left">Second question... is there an updated lesson book or handshape list that includes the second set of handshapes somwhere on the SignWriting website?</div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left">Thank you!</div><br>Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.<br><a href="http://www.westlandasl.com/">www.westlandasl.com</a><br></span></blockquote></div></body></html>