My immediate response is to use the STRAIGHT fingers. Not because they are exact, but precisely because they are NOT. <br><br>The sound "A" in English has a wide variety of exact sounds, but in context we have "father", "at" and "hammer", all of which are slightly different but not enough to make a difference.<br><br>The straight fingers are quick, easy, and recognizable. If we start putting "slightly bent" fingers everywhere we will start getting so stuck on "exact" that we lose usefulness for exactitude.<br><br>We have the IPA for exact pronunciation, we have the IMWA for writing signs, but we don't HAVE to be absolutely precise to be understood.<br><br>I'd keep the straight fingers in teaching and use walk, look, see, and dance as all the same handshape, even though the fingers have a slight bent.<br><br>Charles Butler<br><br><br><b><i>Valerie Sutton <signwriting@mac.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid
rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> SignWriting List<br>November 30, 2008<br><br>Hello Everyone and Natasha!<br>It is a good thing I receive both the Digest and the normal mail <br>version of the SignWriting List messages, or I would never have seen <br>this message from Natasha, pasted below. It only came into the Digest <br>for me, but did not come to my email box, so I guess the SW List <br>software, that manages all the messages, is not working perfectly...as <br>you know, the SW List software is managed at Valencia Community <br>College in Florida, and I have no control over how it is setup...But I <br>will write to their technicians to see if we can figure it <br>out...anyway...thank you, Natasha, for your message below, and I will <br>be happy to answer it shortly...and I hope others will also answer <br>it...I love the way we all chime in and give our feedback to each <br>other...it is a wonderful experience, isn't it, to share like
this...<br><br>Val ;-)<br><br>-------<br><br><br>> From: "Natasha Escalada-Westland" <shash90@hotmail.com><br>> Date: November 30, 2008 7:33:52 AM PST<br>> To: "SignWriting Listserve" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br>> Subject: [sw-l] Handshape question, "Stand" and "Look"<br>> Reply-To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br>><br>><br>> Greetings SW colleagues,<br>><br>> I am developing a lesson on teaching classifers and I am debating <br>> which handshapes to use in my presentation. The ASL signpuddle <br>> dictionary cites:<br>><br>><br>> and as the handshapes for "stand" and "look-at" respectively.<br>><br>> As I look at myself signing these, and as I think of using them as <br>> classifiers to describe types or ways of standing or looking-at, I <br>> see the following actual handshapes used:<br>><br>><br>> and<br>><br>> The "Lessons in SignWriting Web Gallery"
explanation of Handshape <br>> group 2 doesn't include the above handsapes, although I do <br>> understand them to mean index and middle fingers bent slightly at <br>> the proximal knuckle.<br>><br>> First question... Do the signs in the ASL SignPuddle need to be <br>> updated as written for these concepts? To keep the fingers straight <br>> requires unnatural lifting of the shoulder and elbow.<br>><br>> Second question... is there an updated lesson book or handshape list <br>> that includes the second set of handshapes somwhere on the <br>> SignWriting website?<br>><br>> Thank you!<br>><br>> Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.<br>> www.westlandasl.com<br><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br>SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br><br>List Archives and Help<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br><br>Change Email
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