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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>Hi Val, Adam and
everyone,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> Yes, I can
see both animated GIFs and hand symbols. But, I don't know if I can
see a group directory color.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> Best
regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>
André</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=signwriting@mac.com href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">Valerie
Sutton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 01, 2008 1:29
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA
Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>SignWriting List
<DIV>November 30, 2008</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thank you, Adam. This is excellent information...thank you for
researching this.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Andre...I just changed the color background on one page...can you see
this animation?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group01/01-01-001-01.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group01/01-01-001-01.html</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>It now has a blue background...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If that doesn't work, can you tell me what color the background should be
so you can see it?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Val ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>-------</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Adam Frost wrote:</DIV><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV
style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">Actually,
Andre has more vision than the Deaf-Blind student I work with. She can't see
anything except general light and dark. Nothing in between. But I have other
friends who have the similar vision that Andre seems to have, so I know what
needs to be done.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I agree that the Mac works best, but gotta make due with what we have.
:-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Unfortunately after I mimicked the screen that Andre was
seeing, I realized that he could only see my hands in the GIFs and not the
symbols as well as the symbols in the group directory. This is because
Windows makes the background black and text white. It doesn't change the
image color. So basically because we have a transparent background in our
GIFs and pngs, the background becomes black. Since the symbols'
outlines are black, all that can be seen are the white palm
facings. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I haven't found a solution yet, but I am working on it.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Adam</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:</DIV><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV
style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">SignWriting
List
<DIV>November 30, 2008</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hello Andre and Adam...</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for your messages...I had hoped Adam, you would know what to
do, since you interpret for Deaf-Blind, maybe you knew about web sites for
your friends who are Deaf-Blind...but actually I realize that doesn't
necessarily follow...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And for Mac users it is much easier...the Mac can reverse the entire
screen and the reversal is not dependent on any one web browser or kind of
software...it is built into the operating system...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>But Andre is on Windows and in Windows it depends on the web browser
I believe...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The only thing I can guess is that the images for the symbols that i
used to create the links to the Animated GIFs...those images in the group
directories for each symbol have a transparent background...maybe if I
make the pngs with a white background, then when Andre reverses his web
browser to see a negative of the images it will be able to reverse
properly...I will try that later this week Andre...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Meanwhile I am happy you can see the Animated GIFs themselves...that
is all that really matters!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Val ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>----------</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</DIV><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><STRONG style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px" face=Arial size=6><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Hi Val,</FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><STRONG style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 8px" color=#000000><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px" face=Arial size=6></FONT></FONT></STRONG><FONT
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"
color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><STRONG style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px" face=Arial size=6><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000> I tried to look at the front page of
signwriting.org. I clicked on Lessons. I cannot see black
backgrounds (hand groups and hand symbols).</FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><STRONG style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 8px" color=#000000><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px" face=Arial size=6></FONT></FONT></STRONG><FONT
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"
color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><STRONG style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px" face=Arial size=6><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000> Regards,</FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><STRONG style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 8px" color=#000000><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px" face=Arial size=6></FONT></FONT></STRONG><FONT
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"
color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><STRONG style="FONT-SIZE: 8px"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px" face=Arial size=6><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000> André</FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial"><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=signwriting@mac.com
href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">Valerie Sutton</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=frost@signwriting.org href="mailto:frost@signwriting.org">Adam
Frost</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Sunday, November 30, 2008
9:41 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of
ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>SignWriting List
<DIV>November 30, 2008</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Andre -</DIV>
<DIV>The animated GIFs are Adam's, and the web pages were my
design...so this has nothing to do with Steve's software...Are you
asking us to create a special web page for Deaf-Blind?</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Adam - Can you help us with this? I need to write some grants so
we all have money to work...smile...</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I guess we need to do a web site that is reversed like a negative
versus a positive?</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Can you view other web pages of mine, Andre? Like the front page
of signwriting.org? Can you see that?</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Val ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>--------</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>On Nov 30, 2008, at
6:39 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</FONT></DIV><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 16px Arial; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Hi Steve,</FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><FONT
face=Arial size=6></FONT></FONT></STRONG><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000> I would like to inform
you that I cannot see all black backgrounds Ihand groups and
hand symbols). I can see only animated
GIF.</FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><FONT
face=Arial size=6></FONT></FONT></STRONG><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000> Best
regards,</FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><FONT
face=Arial size=6></FONT></FONT></STRONG><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000> André</FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial"><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=signwriting@mac.com
href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">Valerie Sutton</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting
List</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=frost@signwriting.org
href="mailto:frost@signwriting.org">Adam Frost</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Sunday, November 30, 2008
7:00 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[sw-l] Animated GIFs of
ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>SignWriting List
<DIV>November 30, 2008</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV>Hello Everyone!</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
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size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Adam Frost has created animated GIFs of the ISWA handshapes
in Group 1, Group 2 and Group 3...</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Group 3 is around one-third completed...</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Go to:</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>ISWA Animated GIFs Hands</DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/category1.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/category1.html</A></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And click on Groups 1, 2 and 3 to enjoy viewing Adam's
animated handshapes with palm facing changes...</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And you can move from one handshape to the next, using the
navigation arrows on the top of each page...it is fun to watch
them in succession....one handshape after the other!</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>These are very useful...I am planning to add signs that use
these handshapes, written in SignWriting, underneath the animated
GIFs...some have some signs already...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Val ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>-----------</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Adam Frost wrote:</DIV><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV
style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">After
some searching, I found the webpage with the GIF that I
created. It isn't preatty yet because there is still some
working being done, but it is here none the less.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group02/01-02-004-01.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group02/01-02-004-01.html</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Adam</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Adam Frost wrote:</DIV><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV
style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">I
love this question, and I will tell you why. It shows that you
have a handle on these handshapes, and you are thinking in
real world sense.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As a Lexiconian in the truest sense (I'd love to make an
ASL equivalent to the Webster Dictionary, but that
would be a life work. *wink*), I have made the same
observations that you have just made. I have also noticed that
it is rare for native users to realize that they have their
hands the way that you have just described. This is the reason
that the ASL Puddle, which is a collaborative dictionary,
usually has the first set. The other reason is that most
people can read the first set easier than the latter. ;-) The
reason I mention this is if and when I were able to create and
ASL Webster-like dictionary, then there would be something
about this in the usage
or pronunciation guide. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I know that I am not teaching your class, so I don't know
the students. But if I were teaching a class that I felt could
handle it, I would include both in the lessons and tell them
that the first set is more of a novice way of signing as well
as the visual image of how a native
internally imagines their signing but are actually
doing it the second way. The reason is in order to do the
first set the elbow has to be in an awkward position
or the wrist has to be painfully bent, whereas the latter set
does not.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>So now that I have rambled, I will answer your
questions. :-) If you want to have those concepts in the ASL
Puddle, you are more than welcome to add them. In fact, I
think it is better to have both of them so that people can
compare. As for your second question, I have been creating
GIFs of all of the current handshapes. Because of everyone
being swamped with so many projects, it is coming
along very slowly. I have done these handshapes that you have
mentioned, but I don't know if they have been put up on the
website yet. I am not sure exactly why you are asking because
you do understand it just fine. I am also surprised that there
isn't anything about the latter set of handshapes on the
website. I just find that odd. So I will check to see if my
GIFs are on the website or not. If not, maybe I can figure
something out.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hope this helps, and I am glad that Val caught this in
Digest because I never saw it. As always feel free to ask
questions. It is the way to learn. ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Adam</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Valerie Sutton
wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="" type="cite"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 13px Verdana; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>From: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">"Natasha
Escalada-Westland" <<A
href="mailto:shash90@hotmail.com">shash90@hotmail.com</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>Date: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">November
30, 2008 7:33:52 AM PST<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>To: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">"SignWriting
Listserve" <<A
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>Subject: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>[sw-l]
Handshape question, "Stand" and "Look"</B><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><B>Reply-To: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">"SignWriting
List" <<A
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV><BR><BR>Greetings
SW colleagues,<BR> <BR>I am developing a lesson on
teaching classifers and I am debating which handshapes to
use in my presentation. The ASL signpuddle dictionary
cites:<BR> <BR>
<DIV
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the handshapes for "stand" and "look-at"
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of using them as classifiers to describe types or ways of
standing or looking-at, I see the following actual
handshapes used:</DIV>
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<DIV align=left>The "Lessons in SignWriting Web Gallery"
explanation of Handshape group 2 doesn't include the
above handsapes, although I do understand them to mean
index and middle fingers bent slightly at the proximal
knuckle.</DIV>
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<DIV align=left>First question... Do the signs in the
ASL SignPuddle need to be updated as written for these
concepts? To keep the fingers straight requires
unnatural lifting of the shoulder and elbow.</DIV>
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<DIV align=left>Second question... is there an updated
lesson book or handshape list that includes the second set
of handshapes somwhere on the SignWriting website?</DIV>
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<DIV align=left>Thank you!</DIV><BR>Natasha
Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.<BR><A
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