<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">SignWriting List</span></font></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">December 2, 2008</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Hello Andre!</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Your question is a good one!</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I can certainly read your writing of Alligator, which is in my attached diagram (yours is pasted to the right)...but technically your writing has the hands directed to the side...the side view, like the hand in Hamburger that you mention, can show the fingers directed up much better - you are right about that! But in my example, I was writing it with the hands directed forward...so it is a difference between the hands directed to the side wall, or directed straight forward...we do not have an animated GIF for this handshape yet, or I could show you better...</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Please see attached diagram...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><img height="837" width="386" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:82CD020C-5064-44B7-BEEB-F9B8CA92B909"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></font><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">On Dec 2, 2008, at 8:01 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</span></font></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font></font><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="#000000" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Hi Val and everyone,</span></font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font face="Arial"></font></span></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> See your attached diagram "ALLIGATOR". I am confused. I remember that you told me that fingers look like in a real life. For example a sign for HAMBURGER in LSQ (B) is correct because the finger of the left hand is directed up and looks like in a real life. a sign (C) is incorrect since the finger of the left hand is directed dowm and doesn't look like in a real life.</span></font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font face="Arial"></font></span></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> This is my writing (A) "ALLIGATOR" in ASL (here is my attachment) am I right?</span></font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font face="Arial"></font></span></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> I would like to know if your attached diagram "ALLIGATOR" is correct? Do these fingers look like in a real life? </span></font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font face="Arial"></font></span></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> I am sorry that I am still learning about it.</span></font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font face="Arial"></font></span></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> Hand waving</span></font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font face="Arial"></font></span></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> André</span></font></font></font></strong></div></div></span></blockquote></div></div></body></html>