<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">SignWriting List</span></font></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">December 2, 2008</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Hello Andre!</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Thank you for this message....</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">We are all so fortunate to have conversations like this...;-)</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Years ago, in the 1980's, when I was working with the Deaf group that wrote the SignWriter Newspaper, we created some "writing rules" or "SignSpelling Rules" to help us...and over time, those writing guidelines were something that we just "assumed" or "took for granted"...we assumed them...they felt so natural to us...but these rules were never properly written down so new writers could learn them well...that is my fault. They should have been an active part of the Lessons in SignWriting Textbook from the beginning, and they will be in any future publications.</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">So a few years ago I finally described two of these SignSpelling rules on the web, and I realize that may have seemed like something "new" to some, but for me and the older writers, it was actually just recording the way we were writing long ago...</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">And when I say the word "rule"...I do not mean to force anyone to do anything...I am just trying to explain the way the system was designed early on...</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">So I think, Andre, you might enjoy learning about these two SignSpelling Rules. You can read them on the web:</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><b>SignSpelling Rule 1: Write the Position of Contact</b></span></font></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html</a></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><b>SignSpelling Rule 2: Every Sign Has A Center</b></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html</a></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">to.....</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html</a></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">Now I will answer your questions below, based on these two rules, that have influenced our writing since the 1980's...</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">Andre wrote:</span></div><div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "> I am trying to understand between a standard rule and fingers in a real life.</span></span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><b><br></b></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Val answers:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Do we have a "standard" rule? Where did you get that name? There is no "standard" rule that I know of...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I think the way the "fingers look in real life" is a much better idea... and writing the "Position of Contact" is probably what you mean when you say that...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Please see attached diagram...I have written notes near your writing...your "Step 2s" are well written:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><img height="594" width="593" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:DA94AC25-1362-4AED-8072-AB7F9814E764"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><b><br></b></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><b><br></b></span></font></div><div><br></div></div></div></body></html>