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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>Hi Val and
everyone,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> See your
attached diagram "ALLIGATOR". I am confused. I remember that you
told me that fingers look like in a real life. For example a sign for
HAMBURGER in LSQ (B) is correct because the finger of the left hand is directed
up and looks like in a real life. a sign (C) is incorrect since the
finger of the left hand is directed dowm and doesn't look like in a real
life.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6> This is my writing (A)
"ALLIGATOR" in ASL (here is my attachment) am I
right?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> I would
like to know if your attached diagram "ALLIGATOR" is correct? Do these
fingers look like in a real life? </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> I am sorry
that I am still learning about it.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> Hand
waving</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>
André</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>
</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=signwriting@mac.com href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">Valerie
Sutton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=frost@signwriting.org
href="mailto:frost@signwriting.org">Adam Frost</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA
Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>SignWriting List
<DIV>November 30, 2008</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Adam and Stefan -</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for your message below....</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>You can see I would much rather talk about handshapes than write the
grant...but I am getting to the writing soon! ;-)) We all need the
money...;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Anyway...here are some more examples of white palm handshapes with the
fingers directed toward the Center of the Body...it is necessary to show the
relationship between hands, body and fingers...so it is applying these symbols
to actually writing signs, that shows why they are designed the way they
are...I always had trouble explaining the reason for this, until finally the
Center Rule made it clear why intuitively the center direction feels
better...signers rarely twist their fingers to point to the outside of the
body...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>For example, the sign for ALLIGATOR...the left hand has to have the
fingers going into the Center so it can contact the other hand's
fingers...</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Adam Frost wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV
style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">I
agree. When I looked at your example of CLOWN, it made it clear that it
would be horrible to try it that way. It would be impossible to know what
the symbol really meant as one of the fingers would just loop back to the
square.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Stefan, you aren't the first person that has asked me about that
similar thing. I think that a large reason that it is
a reoccurring question is because it is not a frequent enough
thing that happens in Sign Languages. It is also something
that doesn't seem to follow the same theme that the other
handshapes show. I guess it is just one of those exceptions that just needs
to be memorized, or people just need to remember that these symbols all
follow the "center of body" rule. Either way, it is still a learning process
for us all. ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Adam</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Adam Frost wrote:</DIV><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 16px Arial; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0">
<DIV>I guess the only other way would be to have the fingers on the
right side of the symbol curving to the left, but it look very odd to
see that. ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(20,79,174); -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1">Adam</SPAN></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>
<DIV>It would be impossible in fact, because the curved thumb would write
on top of the square for the fist, and it would be very hard to show the
curve...believe me...I tried it!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>No. The Center of the Body rule works beautifully and gives the
feeling of the fingertips of all three fingers "relating to each other"...
they need to be seen in a curve where the fingers relate to each other in
a formation that the reader's eye picks up on fast while reading...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Val
;-)</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV>
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