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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>yes I do. Just to wear
the CI device does not mean that these children are able to understand spoken
words or that they learn to comunicate in spoken language. And that is the
reason to allow them to develop SL and SW skills.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma'>sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Samstag, 6. Dezember
2008 23:32<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SignWriting List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: AW: [sw-l]
Appreciating the cochlear implant</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi Stefan!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you for responding to these messages...I am so glad you did....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Since you teach Deaf children who have cochlear implants (is that
correct?), then you must see it everyday from an educational
perspective...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>great description of the function of a CI
Bill!<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The other point is the
human being – most often today a very young child. Of course – and who would
not understand – hearing parents suffer if they get the information that their
baby is unable to hear. Now medical experts explain that there is a solution –
kind of we can fix the problem. Now there is hope .... and depending on the<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>pedagogical concept these little children get in
contact with Sign Language – or not.<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It is true that there is quite
a number of children who develop hearing ( = they develop spoken language by
listening to spoken language ...) thanks to this device and a number of
other different factors .<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The last aspect (... different
factors) is the major problem. From my point of experience we do not know in
before who of the deaf children will not be able to succeed.<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>And that is the point. Children
need to develop language skills in early childhood. There is no argument
whatsoever to accept that children grow up without any language ... but this
will happen, if they are not exposed to a competent Sign Language using person
...<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I loved to read Bills
list # 1, 2, 3, .... a CI wearing child being deaf. ...and I agree
– a child with CI is much better of if he or she masters SignLanguage and
SignWriting.<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><a
href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im
Auftrag von<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Bill Reese<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Samstag, 6. Dezember 2008 22:04<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>SignWriting List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [sw-l] Appreciating the cochlear
implant</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Technically, it aids hearing so it's a
"hearing aid" but it's not like previous hearing aids in that it
doesn't change sound in some way to make it better understood by a hearing
impaired person. Instead, it delivers electrical impulses directly to the
hearing nerve, bypassing most of the auditory structures. It does this in
the cochlea, the organ within the inner ear that does this for people who can
hear. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
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Within the cochlea, which looks a bit like a snail shell, there's a winding,
narrowing passage through which sound travels. Different frequencies move
hair cells at different points along that passage, with the lower frequencies
being in the wider part and the higher frequencies further along. These
hair cells are like switches, sending electrical impulses to the brain, which
translates the impulses to an image of sound. <span
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Depending on manufacturer, a cochlear implant inserts 16 to 22 electrodes into
this passage, each terminating at different points. A speech processor is
worn outside of the body, either on the ear, like a hearing aid, or on the
body, like the older body worn hearing aids. This device is a mini
computer that processes sound, turning it into impulses, which are sent to a
headpiece. This headpiece is an FM transmitter which transmits both power
and signals to the internal electronics. The internal electronics then
translates the FM signals into the impulses which are sent to the cochlea
through the electrodes. Depending on the frequencies of the sound,
different electrodes are switched on and off, resulting in a simulation of the
sound.<br>
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Bill<br>
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Valerie Sutton wrote:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Isn't the cochlear implant simply a fancy
hearing aid implanted inside the body?<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I always thought of the cochlear implant
as another kind of hearing aid...<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Val ;-)<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Adam Frost
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Ha! The same thing could be said with
hearing aids as well, which was thought to be the cure-all of deafness much
like many think cochlear implants are now. Interesting how the arguments
throughout history stay the same, it is just the toys that change. ;-)<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Bill Reese
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Gerard,<br>
Perhaps I should not mention that I have a cochlear implant as I'm
late-deafened and don't really fit into the category of a born or cultural deaf
person whose first language is sign language. However, I and others in my
ALDA-Suncoast support group have cochlear implants and we all still sign.
It's pidgin sign, not ASL, and used to get across what we are saying in
English. The implant doesn't help any of us hear 100%. For some,
it's more like they're deaf as opposed to stone deaf. For others, they
can enjoy music. But when we're together as a group, sign language,
speechreading, writing notes (total communication) is what we do.<br>
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I believe, just by the nature of that fact, it may be imputed that a born or
cultural deaf child who gets an implant and who is immersed in Deaf culture
would still naturally use sign language.<br>
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A few things to consider:<br>
1. At night, the implant is usually turned off and the deaf person is deaf.<br>
2. When swimming, the device is off and the deaf person is deaf.<br>
3. When the implant's battery dies and the person has no spare, they're deaf.<br>
4. When they just don't feel like wearing the implant, they're deaf.<br>
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In short, the implant isn't used 24/7 and sign language is still needed.<br>
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Bill<br>
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Gerard Meijssen wrote:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hoi,<br>
In several discussions about sign languages and SignWriting, the subject of the
cochlear implant was mentioned. I have been doing some reading on the subject.
I find it hard to learn what a cochlear implant does for someone who gets an
operation and has one implanted. I learned that the operation is not without
risks and the soundfiles that I listened to on the Internet do not give 22
channel quality.<br>
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The Wikipedia article is deemed to be not good enough. So I am really looking
for an improved article and also in a better appreciation of such devices.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Gerard<br>
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