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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Stuart, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>thank you very much for
your comment. I would like to afform that I go along with your thoughts. One
problem – I see – we would not be good teachers if we think to
write by hand is an easy to accomplish task for children. No it is not true.
SignWriting by hand is difficult and it takes many many hours of practice and a
teacher who enables them to keep motivated. It is a time consuming and slow –
and in a surrounding where everything and all is oriented towards spoken
languge you would not expect a child to develop higher skills in an area if
there are no adults who really understand ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And what you suggest is
a brilliant idea – we need to compare the symbols as they are printed
with noble software – and what they look like if written by hand. That is
the reason Valerie that I am so interested in the first handwritten documents –
.. smile ... just to compare the way other handwriters tried to find their way
to write double circular movements, hands parallel to the floor, .... smile <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Attached another handwritten
document of a SignWriting enthusiast – smile – next to a railway-track<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All the best<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Stu</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>art Thiessen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Montag, 8. Dezember 2008
18:06<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SignWriting List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] Handwriting</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Valerie, I understand your point about learning to handprint before
doing cursive, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>But I still believe that one of the barriers to acceptance of
SignWriting by some people is the fact that it appears to be slow to write by
hand. I know that there is a long history of writing by hand before the various
programs that we have today. My point simply is that the information that
people have now is focused on the computer program which is a very important
element. But also there is a very important element of having a handwritten
form that is simpler than the printed form and more easily written.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>When people can see both styles of writing (printed and written), then
that will open up new arguments for the usefulness of SignWriting in everyday
life.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So, I know the ISWA has been your priority for now, and it is an
important priority. And more is still going on that. This is just something
that will need to be resolved at some point.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>One suggestion I have is that maybe at some point you introduce
handwritten forms for each of the ISWA symbols. So a person can look up an ISWA
symbol and see both the printed form and the handwritten form. So as they
practice on the computer or on a piece of paper, they can learn to use and read
the system both ways.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hebrew, for example, has the same alphabet, but the exact form of the
letter varies depending on which written form of Hebrew you use (Cursive,
Rashi, or the printed form). (See the chart at <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet)">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet)</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Like you've said before, it may be that we will have different
"fonts" or writing styles for SignWriting, but I think it will
encourage people to also write by hand if there is a way to write it simply.
Then they start doing grocery lists and quick notes to family and class notes
and eventually it becomes a part of their everyday handwriting strategies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I admit for myself that I rarely handwrite SignWriting because the
printed symbols just take longer to handwrite. When I do SignWriting, it is
usually only when I use SignPuddle. I would prefer to handwrite more, but I
find my motivation is lower when I have to invent my own ways of writing the
printed forms faster. So when the time comes to show handwriting, I'm less
likely to convince them on that front.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Just my thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:35 , Valerie Sutton wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>December 8, 2008<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hello Andre -<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In a SignWriting curriculum, for children,
I would put learning SW Handwriting in the third year...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Just as it explains on these web pages:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs003.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs003.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>and<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs004.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs004.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In any written form, writing in a
"faster cursive style" takes skill. Plus SignWriting does not have
the documentation ready for teaching formal SW Handwriting...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Therefore, when we were young children
learning to write English characters, we did not start by learning English
cursive-handwriting...we started with hand-printing each English character
carefully, writing them in rows and rows until we became skilled...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Then, after learning how to write in this
perfect hand-printing style, after around the second grade...for me it was in
the third grade...I started to learn to write real handwriting in school (for
English)...so based on that experience, I suggest that SW handprinting should
be taught the first two years of a SignWriting curriculum, and the SW
handwriting starts around the third year in school...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Stefan has some experience with this...His
student, Eduard, who is writing in the picture on the front page of our web
site, is a skilled SignWriting student, having been in Stefan's classroom for
several years...so he started the handwriting later, after getting familiar
with SW in general...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>So that is my advice...Your students and
teachers are beginners or at least, in their first year of learning and using
SW, so maybe the handwriting should wait until next year?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>But they could try some of these
Handprinting techniques right now:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs011.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs011.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Gagnon et
Thibeault wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hi Val, Anne-Claude and
everyone,</span></font></b></strong><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Anny,
I don't ask that you translate a SW handwriting's web
pages. You translate only two words : handprinting and handwriting.</span></font></b></strong><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></b></strong><span
class=apple-converted-space><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></span><strong><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> I mean that I need only a
section "Quick dailly writing". I am writing a LSQ curriculum
for a SW writing. I understand that you need to write new books. No
problem. I am trying better to describe a SW handwriting (quick
daily writing).</span></font></b></strong><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> I
believe that Deaf students write a SW handprinting because teachers don't know
about SW handwriting norms (Quick daily writing).</span></font></b></strong><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Hand
waving</span></font></b></strong><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> André</span></font></b></strong><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid yellow 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>----- Original Message -----</span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div style='background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-attachment:
initial;-webkit-background-clip: initial;-webkit-background-origin: initial;
background-position:initial initial'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com"
title="signwriting@mac.com"><font color=black><span style='color:black'>Valerie
Sutton</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>SignWriting List</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca" title="atg@videotron.ca"><font color=black><span
style='color:black'>Gagnon et Thibeault</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Monday, December 08, 2008 10:12 AM</span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Re: [sw-l] Handwriting</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>SignWriting List</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>December 8, 2008</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hello Andre and Anny -</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>There is no document to
translate...smile...but there are web pages.</span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>If you follow all the links on this web
page:</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>SignWriting Handwriting</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/"><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>There are six sections and each section
has several web pages...I do not know if Andre really needs a translation of
those web pages into French?</span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I have nothing else to give you right
now, Andre...More books on Handwriting will have to wait for awhile, since I am
so behind on other books that need to be updated...</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Have you seen the front page of our web
site? Stefan's Deaf student Eduard is quite an artist with SW calligraphy,
don't you think?</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>SignWriting HomePage</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><a href="http://www.SignWriting.org"><font color=black><span
style='color:black'>http://www.SignWriting.org</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Stefan will be sending us more photos of
the finished art later...i look forward to seeing them!</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>And I believe that Kim from Boston has
also done some SW calligraphy...</span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Kim's work</span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/usa/massachusetts/"><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>http://www.signwriting.org/usa/massachusetts/</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Val ;-)</span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----------</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Anne-Claude
Prélaz Girod wrote:</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=5 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>andré</span></font></span><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=5 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>what
kind of document do you need to get translated from english into french ?!?!?!</span></font></span><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=5 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>let me
know</span></font></span><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=5 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Anny</span></font></span><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Le 8 déc. 08 à 15:43, Gagnon et Thibeault
a écrit :</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hi Anne-Claude, Val and
everyone,</span></font></b></strong><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Anny,
I would like you to translate a handprinting and a handwriting</span></font></b></strong><span
class=apple-converted-space><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></span><strong><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> </span></font></b></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></span><strong><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> </span></font></b></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></span><strong><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> </span></font></b></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></span><strong><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>from English to French?</span></font></b></strong><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Val,
I am writing a LSQ curriculum from grade 7th to 8th including SW
reading and SW writing now. But, I don't know about handwriting</span></font></b></strong><span
class=apple-converted-space><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></span><strong><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> </span></font></b></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></span><strong><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> </span></font></b></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></span><strong><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> </span></font></b></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></span><strong><b><font
size=6 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>norms. I would like you to explain me handwriting norms in
general. You remember that you gave a handwriting course to some
participants one year ago. I love learning it. I don't mean
that participants do their homework but they read only instructions.
Would you give us general explanations or instructions of
handwriting norms which help me write and explain a LSQ curriculum including SW
writing ? You don't need an explanation of the handprinting.</span></font></b></strong><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Best
regards,</span></font></b></strong><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=6 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> André</span></font></b></strong><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
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style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></b></strong><font
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