<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I fully understand that. I'm just being a squeaky wheel. :) I do have a desire to focus on this sometime, but I have some other deadlines I have to focus on before I will have time to do that. Just like you. :)<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Stuart<br><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Dec 8, 2008, at 11:14 , Valerie Sutton wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>December 8, 2008</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Stuart!</div><div>You are absolutely right on all points!</div><div><br></div><div>No one is arguing that...It is just a matter of time...</div><div><br></div><div>And that is why it was good that we at least started this course long ago:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/</a></div><div><br></div><div>and the lessons there are a beginning...it goes for several web pages:</div><div><br></div><div>Introduction</div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Handwriting Symbol Construction</div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson102.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson102.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Handwriting Symbol Chart</div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/symbols.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/symbols.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Handwriting Lesson 1 Assignment</div><div><a href="http://www.SignWriting.org/archive/docs5/sw0473-US-SWHandwriting-Lesson1.pdf">http://www.SignWriting.org/archive/docs5/sw0473-US-SWHandwriting-Lesson1.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>That is as far as we got!</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>---------------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Valerie, I understand your point about learning to handprint before doing cursive, etc.<div><br></div><div>But I still believe that one of the barriers to acceptance of SignWriting by some people is the fact that it appears to be slow to write by hand. I know that there is a long history of writing by hand before the various programs that we have today. My point simply is that the information that people have now is focused on the computer program which is a very important element. But also there is a very important element of having a handwritten form that is simpler than the printed form and more easily written.</div><div><br></div><div>When people can see both styles of writing (printed and written), then that will open up new arguments for the usefulness of SignWriting in everyday life.</div><div><br></div><div>So, I know the ISWA has been your priority for now, and it is an important priority. And more is still going on that. This is just something that will need to be resolved at some point.</div><div><br></div><div>One suggestion I have is that maybe at some point you introduce handwritten forms for each of the ISWA symbols. So a person can look up an ISWA symbol and see both the printed form and the handwritten form. So as they practice on the computer or on a piece of paper, they can learn to use and read the system both ways.</div><div><br></div><div>Hebrew, for example, has the same alphabet, but the exact form of the letter varies depending on which written form of Hebrew you use (Cursive, Rashi, or the printed form). (See the chart at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet)">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet)</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Like you've said before, it may be that we will have different "fonts" or writing styles for SignWriting, but I think it will encourage people to also write by hand if there is a way to write it simply. Then they start doing grocery lists and quick notes to family and class notes and eventually it becomes a part of their everyday handwriting strategies.</div><div><br></div><div>I admit for myself that I rarely handwrite SignWriting because the printed symbols just take longer to handwrite. When I do SignWriting, it is usually only when I use SignPuddle. I would prefer to handwrite more, but I find my motivation is lower when I have to invent my own ways of writing the printed forms faster. So when the time comes to show handwriting, I'm less likely to convince them on that front.</div><div><br></div><div>Just my thoughts.</div><div><br></div><div>Stuart</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:35 , Valerie Sutton wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><div>SignWriting List</div><div>December 8, 2008</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Andre -</div><div>In a SignWriting curriculum, for children, I would put learning SW Handwriting in the third year...</div><div><br></div><div>Just as it explains on these web pages:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs003.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs003.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>and</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs004.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs004.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>In any written form, writing in a "faster cursive style" takes skill. Plus SignWriting does not have the documentation ready for teaching formal SW Handwriting...</div><div><br></div><div>Therefore, when we were young children learning to write English characters, we did not start by learning English cursive-handwriting...we started with hand-printing each English character carefully, writing them in rows and rows until we became skilled...</div><div><br></div><div>Then, after learning how to write in this perfect hand-printing style, after around the second grade...for me it was in the third grade...I started to learn to write real handwriting in school (for English)...so based on that experience, I suggest that SW handprinting should be taught the first two years of a SignWriting curriculum, and the SW handwriting starts around the third year in school...</div><div><br></div><div>Stefan has some experience with this...His student, Eduard, who is writing in the picture on the front page of our web site, is a skilled SignWriting student, having been in Stefan's classroom for several years...so he started the handwriting later, after getting familiar with SW in general...</div><div><br></div><div>So that is my advice...Your students and teachers are beginners or at least, in their first year of learning and using SW, so maybe the handwriting should wait until next year?</div><div><br></div><div>But they could try some of these Handprinting techniques right now:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs011.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs011.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br></font><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="#000000" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Hi Val, Anne-Claude and everyone,</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font><font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Anny, I don't ask that you translate</font></font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> a SW handwriting's web pages. You translate only two words : handprinting and handwriting.</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> I mean that I need only a section "Quick dailly writing". I am writing a LSQ curriculum for a SW writing. I understand that you need to write new books. No problem. I am trying better to describe a SW handwriting (quick daily writing).</font></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> I believe that Deaf students write a SW handprinting because teachers don't know about SW handwriting norms (Quick daily writing).</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> Hand waving</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> André</font></font></strong></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(255, 255, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">----- Original Message -----</font></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">From:</font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><a title="signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Valerie Sutton</font></a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">To:</font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><a title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SignWriting List</font></a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Cc:</font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><a title="atg@videotron.ca" href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Gagnon et Thibeault</font></a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Sent:</font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Monday, December 08, 2008 10:12 AM</font></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Subject:</font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Re: [sw-l] Handwriting</font></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SignWriting List</font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">December 8, 2008</font></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Hello Andre and Anny -</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">There is no document to translate...smile...but there are web pages.</font></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">If you follow all the links on this web page:</font></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SignWriting Handwriting</font></div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/</font></a></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">There are six sections and each section has several web pages...I do not know if Andre really needs a translation of those web pages into French?</font></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I have nothing else to give you right now, Andre...More books on Handwriting will have to wait for awhile, since I am so behind on other books that need to be updated...</font></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Have you seen the front page of our web site? Stefan's Deaf student Eduard is quite an artist with SW calligraphy, don't you think?</font></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SignWriting HomePage</font></div><div><a href="http://www.SignWriting.org"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">http://www.SignWriting.org</font></a></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Stefan will be sending us more photos of the finished art later...i look forward to seeing them!</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">And I believe that Kim from Boston has also done some SW calligraphy...</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Kim's work</font></div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/usa/massachusetts/"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">http://www.signwriting.org/usa/massachusetts/</font></a></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Val ;-)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">-----------</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:</font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 24px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">andré</font></span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 24px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 24px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">what kind of document do you need to get translated from english into french ?!?!?!</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 24px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 24px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">let me know</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 24px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 24px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Anny</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Le 8 déc. 08 à 15:43, Gagnon et Thibeault a écrit :</font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font><blockquote type="cite"><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Hi Anne-Claude, Val and everyone,</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> Anny, I would like you to translate a handprinting and a handwriting</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">from English to French?</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> Val, I am writing a LSQ curriculum from grade 7th to 8th including SW reading and SW writing now. But, I don't know about handwriting</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">norms. I would like you to explain me handwriting norms in general. You remember that you gave a handwriting course to some participants one year ago. I love learning it. I don't mean that participants do their homework but they read only instructions. Would you give us general explanations or instructions of handwriting norms which help me write and explain a LSQ curriculum including SW writing ? You don't need an explanation of the handprinting.</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> Best regards,</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> André</font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial" size="6"></font></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial" size="6"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></font></strong></div><div style="min-height: 14px; 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