<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SignWriting List</font></span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">December 15, 2008</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I found this web page, Andre...is this what you mean?</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html</a></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><img height="361" width="551" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:829DE741-90E3-4131-9A08-E5E1B4BC8E50"></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">---------</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">On Dec 15, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</font></span></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font></span></font><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="#000000" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Hi Val and everyone,</font></span></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial"></font></font></span></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> Val, When I learned a handwriting course, I remember that you compare a chart for your name (Valerie) in English between printing, handprinting and handwriting. Do you have it? If yes, this chart helps sw-listers understand them better. </font></span></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial"></font></font></span></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> Hand waving</font></span></font></font></strong></div><div><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font face="Arial"></font></font></span></font></strong><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span></font></div><div><strong><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> André</font></span></font></font></strong></div><blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(255, 255, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">----- Original Message -----</font></span></font></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">From:</font></span></font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span></font></span><a title="signwriting@mac.com" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Valerie Sutton</font></span></font></a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">To:</font></span></font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span></font></span><a title="sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SignWriting List</font></span></font></a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Sent:</font></span></font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Monday, December 15, 2008 7:45 PM</font></span></font></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Subject:</font></span></font></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> </font></span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten form</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SignWriting List</font></span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">December 15, 2008</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:</font></span></font></div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="word-spacing: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Arial; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I'm not sure to understand what you mean by</font></span></font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">HANDWRITING / HANDPRINTING and the examples I've seen don't really help me to understand clearly what difference ther is between the 2</font></span></font></div></span></blockquote><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Hello Anny -</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I guess I can try to answer your question...</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Handwriting is a term, in English, that has several definitions and meanings...</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">One meaning for "handwriting" is cursive writing...meaning writing that "connects letters" in a quick and more relaxed fashion. That kind of handwriting, here in the US, is taught in schools around third grade...and when I moved to Denmark at age 19, I found out that the handwriting taught in Danish schools did not look like the handwriting taught in my school in the US...so cursive writing does vary from place to place, even when they are trying to write the same symbols, such as a or b or c...I could not read handwritten Danish for years because of this education difference...</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">But I could read "handprinting" in Denmark...When people took the time to write by hand in very slow and careful perfect letters that looked a lot like type that is printed by machine, then i could read a, b and c and understand the Danish written by hand...so based on that experience, I started using these terms:</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Handprinting....Writing by hand that is as perfect as you can, making symbols as close to the printed machine form as possible...writing block letters...sometimes called block printing...</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Handwriting...the SignWriting equivalent to a more relaxed "cursive" style of writing...</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">The problem is that SW Handwriting is not really cursive right now...it might be someday...there was an idea floating around in the late 1980s that maybe our Shorthand stenography system could become the "cursive" form of SW Handwriting, but at the moment SW Handwriting means writing that is not "perfect" but more relaxed...</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Does this help at all? And can anyone explain it better? I bet you can...and please do ;-))</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">and I think the idea of using the stenography as a more cursive writing is a great idea, if we can adapt it to fit the ISWA symbols...</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Val ;-)</font></span></font></div></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></span></font></div><hr><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></span></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br></font></span></font><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</font></span></font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br><br>List Archives and Help<br></font></span></font><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</font></span></font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br><br>Change Email Settings<br></font></span></font><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</font></span></font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></font></blockquote><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br></font></span></font><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</font></span></font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br><br>List Archives and Help<br></font></span></font><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</font></span></font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br><br>Change Email Settings<br></font></span></font><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</font></span></font></a></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>