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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>Hi Val and
everyone,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> No,
I will try to look for finding a chart (your name in English, not SW). If
I find it, I will fax it to you.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> Hand
waving</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>
André</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=signwriting@mac.com href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">Valerie
Sutton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=atg@videotron.ca
href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca">Gagnon et Thibeault</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 15, 2008 9:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] printed form and
signwritten form</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>SignWriting List</FONT></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>December
15, 2008</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>I found
this web page, Andre...is this what you mean?</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html</A></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>On Dec 15,
2008, at 5:53 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Hi Val and
everyone,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></STRONG><FONT
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000> Val, When I learned a handwriting
course, I remember that you compare a chart for your name (Valerie) in
English between printing, handprinting and handwriting. Do you
have it? If yes, this chart helps sw-listers understand them
better. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
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class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000> Hand
waving</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>
André</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
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class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><A
title=signwriting@mac.com href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Valerie
Sutton</FONT></SPAN></FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
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class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>To:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
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class=Apple-style-span color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>SignWriting
List</FONT></SPAN></FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Sent:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
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class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Monday,
December 15, 2008 7:45 PM</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Subject:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
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class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Re:
[sw-l] printed form and signwritten form</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>SignWriting List</FONT></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>December 15, 2008</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>On Dec
14, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod
wrote:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>I'm not sure to understand what you
mean by</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>HANDWRITING / HANDPRINTING and the examples I've seen
don't really help me to understand clearly what difference ther is
between the 2</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Hello
Anny -</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>I guess
I can try to answer your question...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Handwriting is a term, in English, that has several
definitions and meanings...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>One
meaning for "handwriting" is cursive writing...meaning writing that
"connects letters" in a quick and more relaxed fashion. That kind of
handwriting, here in the US, is taught in schools around third grade...and
when I moved to Denmark at age 19, I found out that the handwriting taught
in Danish schools did not look like the handwriting taught in my school in
the US...so cursive writing does vary from place to place, even when they
are trying to write the same symbols, such as a or b or c...I could not
read handwritten Danish for years because of this education
difference...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>But I
could read "handprinting" in Denmark...When people took the time to write
by hand in very slow and careful perfect letters that looked a lot like
type that is printed by machine, then i could read a, b and c and
understand the Danish written by hand...so based on that experience, I
started using these terms:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Handprinting....Writing by hand that is as perfect as you
can, making symbols as close to the printed machine form as
possible...writing block letters...sometimes called block
printing...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Handwriting...the SignWriting equivalent to a more relaxed
"cursive" style of writing...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>The
problem is that SW Handwriting is not really cursive right now...it might
be someday...there was an idea floating around in the late 1980s that
maybe our Shorthand stenography system could become the "cursive" form of
SW Handwriting, but at the moment SW Handwriting means writing that is not
"perfect" but more relaxed...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Does
this help at all? And can anyone explain it better? I bet you can...and
please do ;-))</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>and I
think the idea of using the stenography as a more cursive writing is a
great idea, if we can adapt it to fit the ISWA
symbols...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Val
;-)</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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