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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>Bonjour/Hi Anny and 
everyone,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>    Anny, 
thank you for translating 4 English words into French.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>    I don't 
think that you are wrong.  You know that different translators prefer many 
choices of words. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6>For example,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6>Printing=  
-impression</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
size=6>                 
- reproduction d'un texte, d'une illustration par 
l'imprimerie</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6>Handprinting =  -écriture en 
caractères d'imprimerie</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
size=6>                          
-écriture en lettres détachées</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
size=6>                         </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6>Handwriting =  écriture en lettres 
attachées</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
size=6>                          
écriture à la main normale</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6>Shorthand:  écriture 
simplifiée</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>    
Anny,  je vous souhaite de joyeuses fêtes.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>    Salut de 
la main  (hand waving)</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>    
André</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>    
</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=acpg@vtxnet.ch href="mailto:acpg@vtxnet.ch">Anne-Claude Prélaz 
  Girod</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu 
  href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:24 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] printed form and 
  signwritten form</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV><SPAN>
  <DIV>Hello Andr�, Va and list members</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>thanks for the examples... it helps understand!</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>(please any other french speaking french correct me if I'm 
  wrong.....)</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial 
  size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>1) PRINTING = �criture SCRIPT , version informatique</DIV>
  <DIV>2) HANDPRINTING = �criture SCRIPT, � la main</DIV>
  <DIV>3) HANDWRITING = �criture LIEE</DIV>
  <DIV>4) SHORTHAND= st�nographie</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>1)<SPAN 
  class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>2)<SPAN 
  class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>3)<SPAN 
  class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>4)<BR></DIV></SPAN>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>hope this helps</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>have a nice Christmas time everyone!</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Anny<BR>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>Le 16 d�c. 08 � 04:03, Valerie Sutton a �crit :</DIV><BR 
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  <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Adam and Andre -
    <DIV>Thank you for remembering this page...I had totally forgotten it, and 
    the links on our web pages are poor to it...we should do more signs in a 
    chart like this...and we need to make the page more obvious to web visitors 
    including me ;-))</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Anyway, Anny, I hope this chart helps...I guess Andre would like to put 
    the words at the top of the chart in French...smile...</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Years ago, a linguist told me she uses the Shorthand as a cursive 
    writing...maybe that should be explored someday...</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN><Picture 4.png></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>--------</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><BR>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Adam Frost wrote:</DIV><BR 
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      <DIV 
      style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">Here 
      it is. :-)
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><A 
      href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/signs.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/signs.html</A></DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>Adam<BR>
      <DIV>
      <DIV>On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</DIV><BR 
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        <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>Hi Val and 
        everyone,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
        <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG>�</DIV>
        <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>��� No,� I will try 
        to look for finding a chart (your name in English, not SW).� If I find 
        it,� I will fax it to you.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
        <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG>�</DIV>
        <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>��� Hand 
        waving</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
        <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG>�</DIV>
        <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>��� 
        Andr�</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
          <DIV 
          style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
          <A title=signwriting@mac.com href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">Valerie 
          Sutton</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
          title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu 
          href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</A> 
</DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=atg@videotron.ca 
          href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca">Gagnon et Thibeault</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 15, 2008 
          9:16 PM</DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] printed form 
          and signwritten form</DIV>
          <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
          class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
          class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>SignWriting 
          List</FONT></SPAN></FONT> 
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
          color=#000000>December 15, 2008</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>I 
          found this web page, Andre...is this what you 
          mean?</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><A 
          href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html</A></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
          color=#000000><SPAN><Picture 
          3.png></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">---------</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
          color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT>
          <DIV>
          <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
          style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>On 
          Dec 15, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault 
          wrote:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
          size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
          class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><BR 
          class=Apple-interchange-newline></FONT></SPAN></FONT>
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
            style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT-VARIANT: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">
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            style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" 
            bgcolor="#000000">
            <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
            size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
            class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Hi Val and 
            everyone,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
            <DIV><STRONG><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
            class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
            class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><FONT 
            face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></STRONG><FONT 
            class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
            color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></FONT>�</DIV>
            <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
            size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
            class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>��� Val,� When I learned a 
            handwriting course, I remember that you compare a chart�for your 
            name (Valerie) in English�between printing, handprinting and 
            handwriting.� Do you have it?� If yes, this chart helps sw-listers 
            understand them better.�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
            <DIV><STRONG><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
            class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
            class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><FONT 
            face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></STRONG><FONT 
            class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
            color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></FONT>�</DIV>
            <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
            size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
            class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>��� Hand 
            waving</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
            <DIV><STRONG><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
            class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
            class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><FONT 
            face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></STRONG><FONT 
            class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
            color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></FONT>�</DIV>
            <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
            size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
            class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>��� 
            Andr�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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              <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>----- Original Message 
              -----</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV 
              style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial"><B><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
              style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>From:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN 
              class=Apple-converted-space><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><A 
              title=signwriting@mac.com href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
              style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>Valerie Sutton</FONT></SPAN></FONT></A></DIV>
              <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>To:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN 
              class=Apple-converted-space><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><A 
              title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu 
              href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
              style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>SignWriting List</FONT></SPAN></FONT></A></DIV>
              <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>Sent:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN 
              class=Apple-converted-space><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
              style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>Monday, December 15, 2008 7:45 
              PM</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>Subject:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN 
              class=Apple-converted-space><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
              style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten 
              form</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span 
              style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span 
              color=#000000>SignWriting List</FONT></SPAN></FONT> 
              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>December 15, 
              2008</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:22 PM, 
              Anne-Claude Pr�laz Girod wrote:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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                color=#000000>I'm not sure to understand what you mean 
                by</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
                class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
                class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>HANDWRITING / HANDPRINTING 
                and the examples I've seen don't really help me to understand 
                clearly what difference ther is between the 
                2</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT 
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              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Hello Anny 
              -</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>I guess I can try to answer 
              your question...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
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              color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Handwriting is a term, in 
              English, that has several definitions and 
              meanings...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
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              color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>One meaning for "handwriting" 
              is cursive writing...meaning writing that "connects letters" in a 
              quick and more relaxed fashion. That kind of handwriting, here in 
              the US, is taught in schools around third grade...and when I moved 
              to Denmark at age 19, I found out that the handwriting taught in 
              Danish schools did not look like the handwriting taught in my 
              school in the US...so cursive writing does vary from place to 
              place, even when they are trying to write the same symbols, such 
              as a or b or c...I could not read handwritten Danish for years 
              because of this education difference...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
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              color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>But I could read 
              "handprinting" in Denmark...When people took the time to write by 
              hand in very slow and careful perfect letters that looked a lot 
              like type that is printed by machine, then i could read a, b and c 
              and understand the Danish written by hand...so based on that 
              experience, I started using these 
terms:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Handprinting....Writing by 
              hand that is as perfect as you can, making symbols as close to the 
              printed machine form as possible...writing block 
              letters...sometimes called block 
              printing...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Handwriting...the SignWriting 
              equivalent to a more relaxed "cursive" style of 
              writing...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>The problem is that SW 
              Handwriting is not really cursive right now...it might be 
              someday...there was an idea floating around in the late 1980s that 
              maybe our Shorthand stenography system could become the "cursive" 
              form of SW Handwriting, but at the moment SW Handwriting means 
              writing that is not "perfect" but more 
              relaxed...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
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              <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN 
              class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT 
              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Does this help at all? And 
              can anyone explain it better? I bet you can...and please do 
              ;-))</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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              class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>and I think the idea of using 
              the stenography as a more cursive writing is a great idea, if we 
              can adapt it to fit the �ISWA 
symbols...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  <P></P>Hello André, Va and list members<BR><BR>thanks for the examples... it 
  helps understand!<BR><BR>(please any other french speaking french correct me 
  if I'm wrong.....)<BR><BR>1) PRINTING = écriture SCRIPT , version 
  informatique<BR>2) HANDPRINTING = écriture SCRIPT, à la main<BR>3) HANDWRITING 
  = écriture LIEE<BR>4) SHORTHAND= sténographie<BR><BR><BR>1) 2) 3) 
  4)<BR><BR><BR>hope this helps<BR><BR>have a nice Christmas time 
  everyone!<BR><BR>Anny<BR>Le 16 déc. 08 à 04:03, Valerie Sutton a écrit 
  :<BR><BR>> Adam and Andre -<BR>> Thank you for remembering this page...I 
  had totally forgotten it,  <BR>> and the links on our web pages are 
  poor to it...we should do more  <BR>> signs in a chart like this...and 
  we need to make the page more  <BR>> obvious to web visitors including 
  me ;-))<BR>><BR>> Anyway, Anny, I hope this chart helps...I guess Andre 
  would like to  <BR>> put the words at the top of the chart in 
  French...smile...<BR>><BR>> Years ago, a linguist told me she uses the 
  Shorthand as a cursive  <BR>> writing...maybe that should be explored 
  someday...<BR>><BR>><BR>> <Picture 
  4.png><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> 
  --------<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Adam 
  Frost wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Here it is. :-)<BR>>><BR>>> 
  http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/signs.html<BR>>><BR>>> 
  Adam<BR>>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault 
  wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>> Hi Val and 
  everyone,<BR>>>><BR>>>>     No,  I 
  will try to look for finding a chart (your name in  <BR>>>> 
  English, not SW).  If I find it,  I will fax it to 
  you.<BR>>>><BR>>>>     Hand 
  waving<BR>>>><BR>>>>     
  André<BR>>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>>> From: 
  Valerie Sutton<BR>>>> To: SignWriting List<BR>>>> Cc: Gagnon 
  et Thibeault<BR>>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:16 
  PM<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten 
  form<BR>>>><BR>>>> SignWriting List<BR>>>> December 
  15, 2008<BR>>>><BR>>>> I found this web page, Andre...is 
  this what you mean?<BR>>>><BR>>>> 
  http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/ <BR>>>> 
  lesson101.html<BR>>>><BR>>>> <Picture 
  3.png><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> 
  ---------<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 
  5:53 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> Hi Val 
  and everyone,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>     
  Val,  When I learned a handwriting course, I remember that  
  <BR>>>>> you compare a chart for your name (Valerie) in English 
  between  <BR>>>>> printing, handprinting and 
  handwriting.  Do you have it?  If  <BR>>>>> yes, 
  this chart helps sw-listers understand them 
  better.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>     Hand 
  waving<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>     
  André<BR>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>> 
  From: Valerie Sutton<BR>>>>> To: SignWriting 
  List<BR>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:45 
  PM<BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten 
  form<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> SignWriting 
  List<BR>>>>> December 15, 
  2008<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:22 PM, 
  Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:<BR>>>>>> I'm not sure to 
  understand what you mean by<BR>>>>>> HANDWRITING / HANDPRINTING 
  and the examples I've seen don't  <BR>>>>>> really help me 
  to understand clearly what difference ther is  <BR>>>>>> 
  between the 2<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Hello Anny 
  -<BR>>>>> I guess I can try to answer your 
  question...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Handwriting is a term, in 
  English, that has several definitions  <BR>>>>> and 
  meanings...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> One meaning for 
  "handwriting" is cursive writing...meaning  <BR>>>>> writing 
  that "connects letters" in a quick and more relaxed  <BR>>>>> 
  fashion. That kind of handwriting, here in the US, is taught in  
  <BR>>>>> schools around third grade...and when I moved to Denmark 
  at age  <BR>>>>> 19, I found out that the handwriting taught 
  in Danish schools  <BR>>>>> did not look like the handwriting 
  taught in my school in the  <BR>>>>> US...so cursive writing 
  does vary from place to place, even when  <BR>>>>> they are 
  trying to write the same symbols, such as a or b or  <BR>>>>> 
  c...I could not read handwritten Danish for years because of  
  <BR>>>>> this education 
  difference...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> But I could read 
  "handprinting" in Denmark...When people took  <BR>>>>> the 
  time to write by hand in very slow and careful perfect  
  <BR>>>>> letters that looked a lot like type that is printed by 
  machine,  <BR>>>>> then i could read a, b and c and 
  understand the Danish written  <BR>>>>> by hand...so based on 
  that experience, I started using these 
  terms:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Handprinting....Writing by hand 
  that is as perfect as you can,  <BR>>>>> making symbols as 
  close to the printed machine form as  <BR>>>>> 
  possible...writing block letters...sometimes called block  
  <BR>>>>> printing...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> 
  Handwriting...the SignWriting equivalent to a more relaxed  
  <BR>>>>> "cursive" style of 
  writing...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> The problem is that SW 
  Handwriting is not really cursive right  <BR>>>>> now...it 
  might be someday...there was an idea floating around in  
  <BR>>>>> the late 1980s that maybe our Shorthand stenography 
  system could  <BR>>>>> become the "cursive" form of SW 
  Handwriting, but at the moment  <BR>>>>> SW Handwriting means 
  writing that is not "perfect" but more  <BR>>>>> 
  relaxed...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Does this help at all? And 
  can anyone explain it better? I bet  <BR>>>>> you can...and 
  please do ;-))<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> and I think the idea of 
  using the stenography as a more cursive  <BR>>>>> writing is 
  a great idea, if we can adapt it to fit the  ISWA  
  <BR>>>>> symbols...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Val 
  ;-)<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> 
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