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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>Bonjour/Hi Anny and
everyone,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> Anny,
thank you for translating 4 English words into French.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> I don't
think that you are wrong. You know that different translators prefer many
choices of words. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6>For example,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6>Printing=
-impression</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6>
- reproduction d'un texte, d'une illustration par
l'imprimerie</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6>Handprinting = -écriture en
caractères d'imprimerie</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6>
-écriture en lettres détachées</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6> </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6>Handwriting = écriture en lettres
attachées</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6>
écriture à la main normale</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6>Shorthand: écriture
simplifiée</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>
Anny, je vous souhaite de joyeuses fêtes.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6> Salut de
la main (hand waving)</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>
André</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>
</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=acpg@vtxnet.ch href="mailto:acpg@vtxnet.ch">Anne-Claude Prélaz
Girod</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:24
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] printed form and
signwritten form</DIV>
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size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV>Hello Andr�, Va and list members</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV>thanks for the examples... it helps understand!</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV>(please any other french speaking french correct me if I'm
wrong.....)</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00
size=6></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
size=6></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV>1) PRINTING = �criture SCRIPT , version informatique</DIV>
<DIV>2) HANDPRINTING = �criture SCRIPT, � la main</DIV>
<DIV>3) HANDWRITING = �criture LIEE</DIV>
<DIV>4) SHORTHAND= st�nographie</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>1)<SPAN
class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>2)<SPAN
class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>3)<SPAN
class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>4)<BR></DIV></SPAN>
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<DIV>hope this helps</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>have a nice Christmas time everyone!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Anny<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>Le 16 d�c. 08 � 04:03, Valerie Sutton a �crit :</DIV><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Adam and Andre -
<DIV>Thank you for remembering this page...I had totally forgotten it, and
the links on our web pages are poor to it...we should do more signs in a
chart like this...and we need to make the page more obvious to web visitors
including me ;-))</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, Anny, I hope this chart helps...I guess Andre would like to put
the words at the top of the chart in French...smile...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Years ago, a linguist told me she uses the Shorthand as a cursive
writing...maybe that should be explored someday...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><Picture 4.png></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>--------</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Adam Frost wrote:</DIV><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV
style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">Here
it is. :-)
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/signs.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/signs.html</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Adam<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>Hi Val and
everyone,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG>�</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>��� No,� I will try
to look for finding a chart (your name in English, not SW).� If I find
it,� I will fax it to you.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG>�</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>��� Hand
waving</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=6></FONT></STRONG>�</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ffff00 size=6>���
Andr�</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=signwriting@mac.com href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">Valerie
Sutton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SignWriting List</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=atg@videotron.ca
href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca">Gagnon et Thibeault</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 15, 2008
9:16 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] printed form
and signwritten form</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>SignWriting
List</FONT></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>December 15, 2008</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>I
found this web page, Andre...is this what you
mean?</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html</A></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><SPAN><Picture
3.png></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">---------</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>On
Dec 15, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault
wrote:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline></FONT></SPAN></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT-VARIANT: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Hi Val and
everyone,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></STRONG><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></FONT>�</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>��� Val,� When I learned a
handwriting course, I remember that you compare a chart�for your
name (Valerie) in English�between printing, handprinting and
handwriting.� Do you have it?� If yes, this chart helps sw-listers
understand them better.�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></STRONG><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></FONT>�</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>��� Hand
waving</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></STRONG><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></FONT>�</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>���
Andr�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>----- Original Message
-----</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial"><B><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>From:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><A
title=signwriting@mac.com href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Valerie Sutton</FONT></SPAN></FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>To:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>SignWriting List</FONT></SPAN></FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Sent:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Monday, December 15, 2008 7:45
PM</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Subject:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>�</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten
form</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>SignWriting List</FONT></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>December 15,
2008</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:22 PM,
Anne-Claude Pr�laz Girod wrote:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 16px Arial; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>I'm not sure to understand what you mean
by</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>HANDWRITING / HANDPRINTING
and the examples I've seen don't really help me to understand
clearly what difference ther is between the
2</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT
class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Hello Anny
-</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>I guess I can try to answer
your question...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Handwriting is a term, in
English, that has several definitions and
meanings...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>One meaning for "handwriting"
is cursive writing...meaning writing that "connects letters" in a
quick and more relaxed fashion. That kind of handwriting, here in
the US, is taught in schools around third grade...and when I moved
to Denmark at age 19, I found out that the handwriting taught in
Danish schools did not look like the handwriting taught in my
school in the US...so cursive writing does vary from place to
place, even when they are trying to write the same symbols, such
as a or b or c...I could not read handwritten Danish for years
because of this education difference...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>But I could read
"handprinting" in Denmark...When people took the time to write by
hand in very slow and careful perfect letters that looked a lot
like type that is printed by machine, then i could read a, b and c
and understand the Danish written by hand...so based on that
experience, I started using these
terms:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Handprinting....Writing by
hand that is as perfect as you can, making symbols as close to the
printed machine form as possible...writing block
letters...sometimes called block
printing...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Handwriting...the SignWriting
equivalent to a more relaxed "cursive" style of
writing...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
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class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>The problem is that SW
Handwriting is not really cursive right now...it might be
someday...there was an idea floating around in the late 1980s that
maybe our Shorthand stenography system could become the "cursive"
form of SW Handwriting, but at the moment SW Handwriting means
writing that is not "perfect" but more
relaxed...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Does this help at all? And
can anyone explain it better? I bet you can...and please do
;-))</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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the stenography as a more cursive writing is a great idea, if we
can adapt it to fit the �ISWA
symbols...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P></P>Hello André, Va and list members<BR><BR>thanks for the examples... it
helps understand!<BR><BR>(please any other french speaking french correct me
if I'm wrong.....)<BR><BR>1) PRINTING = écriture SCRIPT , version
informatique<BR>2) HANDPRINTING = écriture SCRIPT, à la main<BR>3) HANDWRITING
= écriture LIEE<BR>4) SHORTHAND= sténographie<BR><BR><BR>1) 2) 3)
4)<BR><BR><BR>hope this helps<BR><BR>have a nice Christmas time
everyone!<BR><BR>Anny<BR>Le 16 déc. 08 à 04:03, Valerie Sutton a écrit
:<BR><BR>> Adam and Andre -<BR>> Thank you for remembering this page...I
had totally forgotten it, <BR>> and the links on our web pages are
poor to it...we should do more <BR>> signs in a chart like this...and
we need to make the page more <BR>> obvious to web visitors including
me ;-))<BR>><BR>> Anyway, Anny, I hope this chart helps...I guess Andre
would like to <BR>> put the words at the top of the chart in
French...smile...<BR>><BR>> Years ago, a linguist told me she uses the
Shorthand as a cursive <BR>> writing...maybe that should be explored
someday...<BR>><BR>><BR>> <Picture
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--------<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Adam
Frost wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Here it is. :-)<BR>>><BR>>>
http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/signs.html<BR>>><BR>>>
Adam<BR>>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>> Hi Val and
everyone,<BR>>>><BR>>>> No, I
will try to look for finding a chart (your name in <BR>>>>
English, not SW). If I find it, I will fax it to
you.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Hand
waving<BR>>>><BR>>>>
André<BR>>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>>> From:
Valerie Sutton<BR>>>> To: SignWriting List<BR>>>> Cc: Gagnon
et Thibeault<BR>>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:16
PM<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten
form<BR>>>><BR>>>> SignWriting List<BR>>>> December
15, 2008<BR>>>><BR>>>> I found this web page, Andre...is
this what you mean?<BR>>>><BR>>>>
http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/ <BR>>>>
lesson101.html<BR>>>><BR>>>> <Picture
3.png><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
---------<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> On Dec 15, 2008, at
5:53 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> Hi Val
and everyone,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Val, When I learned a handwriting course, I remember that
<BR>>>>> you compare a chart for your name (Valerie) in English
between <BR>>>>> printing, handprinting and
handwriting. Do you have it? If <BR>>>>> yes,
this chart helps sw-listers understand them
better.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Hand
waving<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
André<BR>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>
From: Valerie Sutton<BR>>>>> To: SignWriting
List<BR>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:45
PM<BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten
form<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> SignWriting
List<BR>>>>> December 15,
2008<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:22 PM,
Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:<BR>>>>>> I'm not sure to
understand what you mean by<BR>>>>>> HANDWRITING / HANDPRINTING
and the examples I've seen don't <BR>>>>>> really help me
to understand clearly what difference ther is <BR>>>>>>
between the 2<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Hello Anny
-<BR>>>>> I guess I can try to answer your
question...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Handwriting is a term, in
English, that has several definitions <BR>>>>> and
meanings...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> One meaning for
"handwriting" is cursive writing...meaning <BR>>>>> writing
that "connects letters" in a quick and more relaxed <BR>>>>>
fashion. That kind of handwriting, here in the US, is taught in
<BR>>>>> schools around third grade...and when I moved to Denmark
at age <BR>>>>> 19, I found out that the handwriting taught
in Danish schools <BR>>>>> did not look like the handwriting
taught in my school in the <BR>>>>> US...so cursive writing
does vary from place to place, even when <BR>>>>> they are
trying to write the same symbols, such as a or b or <BR>>>>>
c...I could not read handwritten Danish for years because of
<BR>>>>> this education
difference...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> But I could read
"handprinting" in Denmark...When people took <BR>>>>> the
time to write by hand in very slow and careful perfect
<BR>>>>> letters that looked a lot like type that is printed by
machine, <BR>>>>> then i could read a, b and c and
understand the Danish written <BR>>>>> by hand...so based on
that experience, I started using these
terms:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Handprinting....Writing by hand
that is as perfect as you can, <BR>>>>> making symbols as
close to the printed machine form as <BR>>>>>
possible...writing block letters...sometimes called block
<BR>>>>> printing...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Handwriting...the SignWriting equivalent to a more relaxed
<BR>>>>> "cursive" style of
writing...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> The problem is that SW
Handwriting is not really cursive right <BR>>>>> now...it
might be someday...there was an idea floating around in
<BR>>>>> the late 1980s that maybe our Shorthand stenography
system could <BR>>>>> become the "cursive" form of SW
Handwriting, but at the moment <BR>>>>> SW Handwriting means
writing that is not "perfect" but more <BR>>>>>
relaxed...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Does this help at all? And
can anyone explain it better? I bet <BR>>>>> you can...and
please do ;-))<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> and I think the idea of
using the stenography as a more cursive <BR>>>>> writing is
a great idea, if we can adapt it to fit the ISWA
<BR>>>>> symbols...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Val
;-)<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
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