<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Stefan!<div><br></div><div>I agree!!</div><div><br></div><div>No dots are the best for single squeezes. The dots were not designed for single squeezes...only for doubles and triples.</div><div><br></div><div>So writing the beginning and ending handshapes with no dots is definitely the easiest and the best choice.<br><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>--------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 9, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Hi Valerie, Ingvild and sw-list<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">well from my point of view I would prefer the "easy-to-read-version" especially if you think of children, students and hearing SL-learners.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">There are no "hidden" ideas behind this obvious description. An excellent support to remember the performance for this sign.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><img width="88" height="20" id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image001.jpg@01C972BF.A6047600"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Stefan ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>Von:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>] Im Auftrag von<st1:personname w:st="on">Valerie Sutton</st1:personname><br>Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 22:35<br>An: SignWriting List<br>Betreff: Re: [sw-l] spelling question</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">January 9, 2009<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Here are three possible writings that I might use.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">In the first example, the dot is not necessary but just added <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">information. The second and third examples remove the first position. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">The bending of the fingers holds the meaning in the sign...the bent <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">fingers show the "result of the squeeze" motion...so we write that <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">plus the arrow pulls or pushes the hand to the side...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">It has taken us at least 20 years in ASL to find the best way to write <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">some numbers...and some of our writings are very abbreviated, and not <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">so easy to read for those who do not know ASL, so I understand that <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">you need to find a short way to write numbers, especially for tiny <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">page numbers etc...so for tiny page numbers I would think the third <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">one in this example would be the best...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Hope this has been helpful. Happy to be in discussions again!<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a></o:smarttagtype></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>