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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Val, Stefan and all,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thank you for your responses. I think I was a bit
confused about the need to keep numbers small in print. When I thing about it,
the words 'tretti' etc. are not particularlily small - but then we tend to use
the arabic numerals for writing numbers for paging etc. Sometime in the future
these symbols may be available along with the SW symbols, as they were in the
old DOS program. For now, I will go for the two handshapes writing in a text,
and for number-by-number for marking pages etc (the signs 3 and 7 rather than
the sign 37). How does that sound to you?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ingvild</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=sutton@signwriting.org
href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">Valerie Sutton</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:41 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de
href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de">Stefan Wöhrmann</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: AW: [sw-l] spelling question 30 - squeeze"
motion</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Stefan!
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<DIV>I agree!!</DIV>
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<DIV>No dots are the best for single squeezes. The dots were not designed for
single squeezes...only for doubles and triples.</DIV>
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<DIV>So writing the beginning and ending handshapes with no dots is definitely
the easiest and the best choice.<BR>
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<DIV>Val ;-)</DIV>
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<DIV>--------</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jan 9, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</DIV><BR
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Valerie,
Ingvild and sw-list<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">well from
my point of view I would prefer the "easy-to-read-version" especially if you
think of children, students and hearing
SL-learners.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There are
no "hidden" ideas behind this obvious description. An excellent support to
remember the performance for this sign.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Stefan
;-)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----<BR>Von:<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
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Im Auftrag von<ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">Valerie
Sutton</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR>Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 22:35<BR>An:
SignWriting List<BR>Betreff: Re: [sw-l] spelling question</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">SignWriting
List<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">January 9,
2009<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
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face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Here are three
possible writings that I might use.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In the first example,
the dot is not necessary but just added <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">information. The
second and third examples remove the first
position. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The bending of the
fingers holds the meaning in the sign...the
bent <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">fingers show the
"result of the squeeze" motion...so we write
that <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">plus the arrow pulls
or pushes the hand to the side...<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It has taken us at
least 20 years in ASL to find the best way to
write <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">some numbers...and
some of our writings are very abbreviated, and
not <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">so easy to read for
those who do not know ASL, so I understand
that <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">you need to find a
short way to write numbers, especially for
tiny <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">page numbers etc...so
for tiny page numbers I would think the
third <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">one in this example
would be the best...<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hope this has been
helpful. Happy to be in discussions again!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Val
;-)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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