<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Just a little comment about the last two signs that you wrote. They are very similar.<div><img height="269" width="177" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:E1502204-2408-4E76-B113-C40EFA9855CF@socal.rr.com"></div><div><br></div><div>Also, after looking at the video, I would write it a little differently because I see the movement happening after the hand changes to the B hand.</div><div><br></div><div><img height="23" width="74" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:828190B8-E055-44DA-BBD7-98C434B6E742@socal.rr.com"></div><div><br></div><div>What are your thoughts?</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Hi Valerie and friends,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">this morning we looked up some facts about President Obama and what a nice surprise to find this video. Wonderful opportunity to discuss sign names again --And this lady signs great - we like it<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">So right now we do know about four different sign-Names from USA and perhaps a fifth the German broadcast interpreter "invented" (???)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">I am curious which of these options will become the widely accepted among the Deaf in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">America</st1:country-region></st1:place><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>.. It will take some time to find out - I guess<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Here are the options so far<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><span><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">I know that this spelling is the German style with all our Mouthmovements that go along with the sign. Can you read the mouth saying “OBAMA”<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>Von:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton<br>Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Januar 2009 01:32<br>An:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:personname><br>Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Obama Sign Name</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><st1:personname w:st="on"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">SignWriting List</span></font></st1:personname><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">January 22, 2009<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Peter DeHaas wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.deafvideo.tv/video/watch/33905/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.deafvideo.tv/video/watch/33905/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Wow! Peter this is a wonderful video. A Deaf person, Kirsi Grigg, from <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Gallaudet, gives Barack Obama his "Name Sign" in ASL from the Deaf <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Community...which is an O hand and then a B handshape that moves into <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">a partial sign for Flag...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Watch the video - I think she describes it beautifully in ASL...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">And a lot of Deaf responses said they like the sign...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">So now Peter, can you write this in SignWriting for us? If you have <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">time, place it in the ASL Dictionary Puddle online:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">ASL Dictionary in SignPuddle<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><a href="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/index.php?ui=1&sgn=4" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/index.php?ui=1&sgn=4</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Many thanks for informing us!<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; 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