Hi Stefan, <br><br>no there is not exact mouthing. The girl just say the word "broskyna".<br>Noone can say now there is this or that mouthing and there is no other meaning with any different mouthing.<br>So I would use no mouthing then. <br>
(and as I wrote before, if any, then "B" mouthing ;))<br><br>Honza<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">Hi Honza, Val and sw-list
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<p><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">Honza wrote: "</span></font><span lang="EN-GB">I won't use any face expression, at least expression that should
mean "B" - so the one Stefan supposed."<br>
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<p><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">I would like to use
Valeries words </span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="EN-GB">...Sometimes people see
videos differently so it is possible my interpretation is not right...</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="EN-GB">(there are no
mouthmovements?? hm .. interesting)</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="EN-GB">Have a great day everybody</span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="EN-GB">Stefan </span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Honza<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Dienstag, 27. Januar
2009 22:36<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Re: AW: [sw-l] New Czech
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi Val and Stefan,<br>
<br>
actually it is not Czech, but Slovak sign, but that is not important ;), anyway
it means PEAR.<br>
I tried to use similar spelling inspired by Val.<br>
<br>
I won't use any face expression, at least expression that should mean
"B" - so the one Stefan supposed.<br>
<br>
thanks for help<br>
Honza</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Valerie
Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi Stefan!<br>
<br>
That is fine! That mouth position can certainly be interpreted as tense
lips...and if that is a"P" in Woehrmann's SpeechWriting that is
fine...I don't know what the Czech word is for that sign..I don't even know
what the sign means....so I agree if Honza agrees...<br>
<br>
The Tense lips can also be used slightly differently...in ASL we use the Tense
lips for two lips pressing each other, like in the sign for possessives such as
YOURS or HIS...and that is not quite a P position of the lips...so I guess
there are some tiny variations for use for that symbol...and that is perfectly
fine ;-)<br>
<br>
Even in our two spoken languages...German and English...we use the Roman
alphabet differently...so this is to be expected...<br>
<br>
I will remember that P is the Tense Lips symbol in SpeechWriting...<br>
<br>
Thank you for SpeechWriting! It is an important development and successful
too...<br>
<br>
Val ;-)</span></font></p>
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On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi Val,<br>
<br>
thanks for your message. I always love to study your spellings ...<br>
<br>
In this case I would like to add one comment.<br>
<br>
I see, that you decided to add a facial expression - in Germany we say
mouth-gesture to all kinds of mouth, lip, tongue movements that do not go along
with soundless speaking ...<br>
<br>
The signer is moving the lips as if speaking - so speechwriting starting with
the "P"-mouth would be my suggestion.<br>
<br>
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Stefan ;-)<br>
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Januar 2009 18:51<br>
An: SignWriting List<br>
Cc: Adam Frost<br>
Betreff: [sw-l] New Czech sign...I wrote these in the Czech SignPuddle<br>
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SignWriting List<br>
January 27, 2009<br>
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Here are my attempts at writing this very difficult but interesting<br>
sign from the Czech Republic! See attached....<br>
<br>
Hope this helps....these examples are in your Czech SignPuddle<br>
dictionary, Honza, for you to play with...<br>
<br>
As you can see, this is a difficult sign to write, and I tried many<br>
avenues...I am not sure what is best myself, but sometimes, after a<br>
long time, people start writing themselves, and one day, someone comes<br>
up with a great way to write the same sign that we were struggling<br>
with for years! So see this as a "first attempt" and then over time<br>
you will get feedback from others until you find a SignSpelling that<br>
works for your readers...<br>
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I have to go to an appointment now, so I will be back later today -<br>
Val ;-)<br>
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