<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I was thinking about Charles' comment and Val's mentioning about writer's choice. I notice that I normally write signs as if they are signs that I would sign in my everyday life. In fact, I looked at this sign as describing the round shape of something with classifiers even before you mentioned it. Now looking back at my writing, I think that I would change one little thing that I had written back to what I had originally thought of writing but changed because of various reasons. I think this gives the feel of the bulb shape more so than my last writing. You could add an arrow to it, but I just find it more confusing because the arrow wouldn't be between the two "action" hands as there is another hand in the way. ;-)<div><br></div><div><img height="134" width="54" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:E91ADD9F-4B29-483C-AE21-7BBDCF6B19A1@socal.rr.com"></div><div><br></div><div>Hmm...I just got thinking about Val's mentioning of writing from a little of an angle. That might make it so the arrow will connect the "action" hands better. Let's see. :-)</div><div><br></div><div><img height="81" width="91" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:2E1553EF-95A6-452D-A673-C7A966D7DB8A@socal.rr.com"></div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 28, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Honza wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Adam,<br><br>wathing your writing again, I would agree with this now.<br>I think it is clear where are the contacts.<br><br>Honza<br><br>wat<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Valerie Sutton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">SignWriting List<br> January 28, 2009<br> <br> Hello Adam, and everyone!<br> In many ways, I agree with you. And your writing is fascinating...The fingers being "sat upon" is fine in that handshape, if the information that the hand went from the tips of the finger to the wrist doesn't matter...If we assume that people already know that sign, and they can read it without the information of the "arc movement back towards the wrist", then your writing is fine!<br> <br> They are describing the "bulb shape of a pear". So your writing does not give them feeling of describing the curve of the pear-shape. But that may not matter.<br> <br> If you look at the video and not just my still-photos you can see that they are trying to make a shape of something...but in everyday writing maybe writing that arc is not necessary...because we do not know Czech Sign Language it is hard to say....<br> <br> I totally agree that the tiny little "Surface Symbols" should not be used if avoided and I like using the Front View of the Heel of the Hand symbol, but the contact from the tips of the fingers to the wrist is what is lacking in many of our attempted writings...including some of my own...as you can see below...scroll down....<br> <br> I think the diagonal writing in my example below is a possibility too...sometimes writing something straight front is harder...<br> <br> Val ;-)<br> <br> <br> ---------<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br> <br> On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:08 AM, Adam Frost wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I have been following this with some interest. I haven't said anything since I had no idea how better to write it then what has been said. That was until now. :-) First thought was, why change from the top view of the left hand to the wrist view? (If that is what it is called, HA!) What I mean is that they mean the same, but I think in this case the wrist view actually works better in readability. Secondly, if you have the beginning and ending positions, why do you need the arrows? Isn't the movement already apparent? The reason I thought of this was because of the writing of the ASL sign "meaning" although I think I have a different idea for writing that, but I will save that for another time. ;-)<br> <br> </blockquote> </div></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> <br> <br> So having thought about that, I think that I would write it like this.<br> <br> </blockquote> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> <br> <br> I don't know about having the last position of the right hand covering some of the left hand, but I think it is clear as to where the hand is rather than having to resort to "the other symbols" for more detail. (If you can't guess, I avoid writing with them at all costs. Ha!) 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