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Maybe this has been brought up before regarding page numbers, but I am curious, why can't the Arabic numerals be used? Written English (and many other written languages) numbers pages using 1, 2, 3 and so forth rather than one, two, three or uno, dos, tres. I'm wondering what the consensus is with regard to SignWriting?<BR><BR>Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.<BR><A href="http://www.westlandasl.com/">www.westlandasl.com</A><BR><BR><BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> From: sutton@signwriting.org<BR>> To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Nominal vs Cardinal numbers in ASL<BR>> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:43:28 -0800<BR>> <BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> February 8, 2009<BR>> <BR>> Thank you, Adam, for this really good explanation of the problem...and <BR>> for your vote for nominal. That has always been my feeling too...<BR>> <BR>> However, around four months ago I had a long discussion with another <BR>> native ASL signer about this and that person voted for the <BR>> cardinal...so if you count my vote, then we have one cardinal and two <BR>> nominal, but i am not native or Deaf...so we need more opinions, or <BR>> maybe test readers and ask them to search for pages in the book only <BR>> using ASL numbers to see which works best for them finding the pages <BR>> fast...<BR>> <BR>> Any others have opinions on nominal or cardinal page numbers in ASL?<BR>> <BR>> Val ;-)<BR>> <BR>> -----------<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Feb 8, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Adam Frost wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > A very fine line here because page numbers are counted pages which <BR>> > number the page with a label. They are often used as both <BR>> > interchangeably mostly because English doesn't distinguish between <BR>> > both and most people don't know the difference. When thinking about <BR>> > how I usually refer to pages, I usually use the cardinal form as I <BR>> > am basically saying "turn 5 pages from the beginning" verses "turn <BR>> > to page 5" which would use the nominal form. However, I think that <BR>> > we are actually labeling the page as "Page 5" so I think that in <BR>> > this case it should be nominals that are used. I hope that makes <BR>> > sense. Anyway, that is my 2 cents worth. (Hmm... would that 2 be <BR>> > cardinal or nominal? Ha!) ;-)<BR>> ><BR>> > Adam<BR>> ><BR>> > On Feb 8, 2009, at 11:40 AM, SignWriting wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> SignWriting List<BR>> >> February 8, 2009<BR>> >><BR>> >> Hi SW Listers!<BR>> >> I need your advice. Most ASL numbers are the same whether they are <BR>> >> nominal or cardinal, but there are five that are different....the <BR>> >> first five numbers are cardinal inside a sentence, but nominal when <BR>> >> telling people your phone number, your apartment number etc...I <BR>> >> believe that is correct anyway ;-))<BR>> >><BR>> >> In other words, the cardinal is part of meaning in a sentence, but <BR>> >> the nominal is like a "label"...like stating your Social Security <BR>> >> Number (a long number that represents a person in the US)...if it <BR>> >> has a lot of "ones"...like 111-897-1102...or something like <BR>> >> that...I don't believe the palm turns towards the chest when <BR>> >> stating your Social Security Number, does it?<BR>> >><BR>> >> So when reading tiny tiny page numbers at the bottom of pages in a <BR>> >> 500 page SignWriting book, should the page numbers be nominal or <BR>> >> cardinal? I have always felt that the page numbers were like <BR>> >> "labels" for finding a page quickly...but others have disagreed <BR>> >> with me...meanwhile most people do not have a lot of experience <BR>> >> reading large books in SignWriting yet, including myself, so we all <BR>> >> are guessing a bit... It may really be a matter of all of us <BR>> >> getting used to this, and figuring out, by testing readers, who can <BR>> >> find page 1 faster...when it is nominal or cardinal? smile...<BR>> >><BR>> >> I am updating our old Goldilocks documents with the symbols of the <BR>> >> ISWA and while I am doing that update anyway, I wondered about the <BR>> >> page numbers...They were nominal in the old documents.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Should page numbers be nominal or cardinal? Please see attached...<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> <Nominal-Cardinal.png><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> ____________________________________________<BR>> >><BR>> >> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>> >><BR>> >> Post Message<BR>> >> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>> >><BR>> >> List Archives and Help<BR>> >> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>> >><BR>> >> Change Email Settings<BR>> >> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ____________________________________________<BR>> ><BR>> > SW-L SignWriting List<BR>> ><BR>> > Post Message<BR>> > SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>> ><BR>> > List Archives and Help<BR>> > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>> ><BR>> > Change Email Settings<BR>> > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>> <BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>> <BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>> <BR>> List Archives and Help<BR>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>> <BR>> Change Email Settings<BR>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>> <BR></body>
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