<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Try this. I think your handshape is a modified x, not a thumb and forefinger. This handshape is under the 9th handshape which is handshapes with the thumb and forefinger.<br><br>Charles Butler<br><br>
<table border="1" cellpadding="5"><tbody><tr><td><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-09-023-05-02-01,114,76,03-05-002-01-01-05,107,32,02-08-005-01-01-01,141,73,01-09-023-05-05-01,117,106,"><p><b>Magyar</b></p></td><td>
<br></td><td><table border="1" cellpadding="5"><tbody><tr><td align="middle"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-09-023-05-02-01&color=999999&size=.7"></td></tr><tr><td align="middle"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=03-05-002-01-01-05&color=999999&size=.7"></td></tr><tr><td align="middle"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=02-08-005-01-01-01&color=999999&size=.7"></td></tr><tr><td align="middle"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-09-023-05-05-01&color=999999&size=.7"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><p><font size="-1">Source: Charles Butler<br>Modified: March 02, 2009 16:06<br>Puddle page 4</font></p></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font size="2"
face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Lancz Edina <elancz@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SignWriting List <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 2, 2009 6:42:21 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [sw-l] Hello from Hungary<br></font><br>
Hi Val and all the others,<br><br>The HSL signs for Hungary and Hungarian are different from the ones you<br>mentioned but they are a bit complicated for my present knowledge. Stefan is<br>almost right but the sign has changed and is less iconic now (although there<br>are probably some people who still use this older version). Hungarian is<br>signed with the handshape Stefan suggested, if I read his sign properly.<br>It's like an A but the index finger is hooked and touches the thumb,<br>covering the side of it. This hand touches the chin from underneath, palm<br>oriented to the left and fingers upwards, and then the wrist turns down so<br>that the edge of the hand becomes parallel with the floor. My attempt to<br>write it can be found in the HSL dictionary of SignPuddle. I could not copy<br>it here as nothing appeared when I clicked Paste here in the email. The<br>symbol for the handshape seems odd to me as an index finger cannot be bent<br>towards the
back of the hand, but it is probably me who cannot read it<br>properly.<br><br>The articulation Stefan mentioned is almost correct but the 'n' in the<br>middle should be deleted. However, I don't think that the articulation is<br>part of the sign at all.<br><br>Hungary is signed as 'Hungarianland', so the first part is the same as<br>above. 'Land' or 'country': I wrote the sign and added it to the HSL<br>dictionary but it is not perfect as I could not find an arrow that was<br>arched and wavy at the same time (as if one was drawing a vertical country<br>map in the air). The hands are meant to be like in F but the thumb and the<br>index finger are not bent. Palm is oriented forward, fingers up.<br><br>I could not figure out how to use a sign that is already written (Hungarian)<br>to form a new one (Hungary). Can I paste it somehow?<br><br>In general, I am a bit lost among the many features of the site. What is the<br>difference between writing signs in
SignMaker, SignBank and SignText? And<br>between a Sign, a Sign Spelling, and a Sign Sequence? Where should I start<br>if I want to insert written signs in a Word document? Val suggested that I<br>should simply drag the sign from SignText to the Word file but it did not<br>work as it got a dark grey background for some reason. She also suggested<br>exporting, but surely I am not supposed to save each sign I write for a<br>document, am I? Val, you also mentioned ColoumnMaker but I cannot find this<br>button where you said it should be ( I am logged in).<br><br>Sorry for asking so many questions... I really appreciate your help.<br><br>Edina<br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>]On Behalf Of SignWriting<br>Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:33 PM<br>To: SignWriting List<br>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Hello from Hungary<br><br><br>Hi Adam and Edina!<br><br>Here is my new attempt, which I have also added to the ASL SignPuddle<br>dictionary...<br><br><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" target="_blank">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>