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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Hi Valerie and
friends, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>well - if I
should vote for any spelling I have seen so far I would prefer your Picture #6
- smile - <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>From the readers
point of view it provides as much information as needed - so I would not want
to miss any hands ... and it is not too much detail-writing! The challenge is
to present a spelling that allows the competent reader to understand the idea
of the scribe ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>And I agree
Charles – once a sign is explained as a representation of a now well
known performance you would accept any simplification - but that might be the
point – I would prefer a spelling that would not end up in a guessing
game. Movement Writing should allow us to describe the given performance as
accurate as possible. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>In addition to
that - I am wondering - just in case you do not want to move your hands to the
right side but just let them do this wave once and again - is there a chance
to add any symbol that would say - "no travelling" - but move your
hands as a unit along this path but stay in place?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Thank you very
much for this lesson!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Stefan ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Von: SignWriting [<a
href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">mailto:signwriting@mac.com</a>]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Gesendet: Montag, 9. März
2009 04:30<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>An: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting
List</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Cc: Stefan
Woehrmann<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Betreff: Re: AW:
[sw-l] movement in LIQUID<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>SignWriting List</span></font></st1:PersonName><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>March 8, 2009<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>On Mar 7, 2009,
at 11:39 AM, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Stefan Wöhrmann</st1:PersonName> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> What I am
interested in is to proof that MovementWriting allows us to <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> describe
even this kind of complex movement - and if so I would not <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> mind to look
at a sequence of 4 or 8 signs that will indicate the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> different
"stills"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> that can be
seen during the whole movement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Hello Stefan!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I would feel very
honored, if you would apply your Movement Writing skills, or your SignWriting
skills, to writing this movement for us, from your perspective. How would you
write this movement, based on the frames you see in these photos? (see attached
below)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I know you are
very busy teaching, but when you have time it would be wonderful to see your
writing, not because we need to prove anything to anyone, but because it will
be good for the writing system to get your input...I think all of the attempts
so far, have highlighted different aspects of the movement, but no one decision
or final writing has been established so far, and I think that is good, to keep
discussing it from different perspectives. One thing that I have learned over
35 years is that people look at the same movement and see different things, and
choose to write different things, so "writing what you see" and also
"writing what you feel intuitively" is as complex as the human brain
is...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The reason that
SignWriting and Movement Writing have been used these<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>35 years is
because we have remained flexible and open to these kinds of discussions and
new ideas...that is how SignWriting slowly went from Receptive to Expressive,
and from horizontal to vertical, and so many other developments that happened
one by one, step by step, through contact with writers and an openness to
suggestions...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>And the goals of
SignWriting and Movement Writing are somewhat different...In SignWriting, it is
my hope anyway, that we can find a way to write sign languages on a daily basis
that is detailed enough to make it possible to read every sign, but simple
enough to make reading fun and easy...that is a hard balance to find, where
Movement Writing, which is mostly for research, can be very very detailed...but
that is also why it is not used on a daily basis...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>So if you wish to
write it from a Movement Writing perspective, or a SignWriting
perspective...both are very welcome and will give us much to discuss and think
about!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Many thanks for
your nice message -<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>See attached...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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