<div>Hi Stefan, </div>
<div>The non-dominant hand in M is parallel to the floor and the C hand in the sign MANCHESTER is a full hand.</div>
<div>I think that would be the M from 'Variation A' and the C from 'Variation C' ??</div>
<div>Although as you can see the examples you have found online, the hanshape of the dominanthand (left hand) varies.</div>
<div>The citation form would look like I have described above but this changes when found in a phrase.</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Alison</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2009/5/18 Stefan Wöhrmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com">stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com</a>></span><br>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Alison, </span></font>Trevor ... <font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">this is</span></font><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> terriffic </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank you soo much for your quick answer. </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Well now – signwriters are the sharp-eye signers – smile . I looked up various sources and there are quite obvious differences in the performance of the two “letters” It is not easy to express all information for the parameters in a drawing ... </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can you give your feedback once more? </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stefan ;-) </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Variation A: </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><a href="http://www.deafsign.com/ds/fingerspell/fs_b2h_trans.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.deafsign.com/ds/fingerspell/fs_b2h_trans.cfm</a></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Variation B: </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><a href="http://www.aspexdesign.co.uk/bsl.htm" target="_blank">http://www.aspexdesign.co.uk/bsl.htm</a></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Both hands parallel to the floor</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Variation C: </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><a href="http://www.deafblind.com/deafsign.html" target="_blank">http://www.deafblind.com/deafsign.html</a></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Both hands parallel to the wall </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So can you tell me </span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <a href="mailto:alisonvere@gmail.com" target="_blank">alisonvere@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:alisonvere@gmail.com" target="_blank">alisonvere@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</span></b> Montag, 18. Mai 2009 16:43<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</span></b> <a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com" target="_blank">stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com</a><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</span></b> SW: Manchester</span></font></p></div>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear Stefan, </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am very new to the idea of signwriting and am still learning the basics. </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The sign for Manchester used in Manchester by Deaf people is M-C from the BSL 2-handed fingerspelling alphabet produced in neutral space. </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Here is my attempt at signwriting it... </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Best wishes, </span></font></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Alison</span></font></p>
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