<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I can see your point, but I can see problems with "wrist" view as well. The wrist can be viewed from any directions where as the heel of the hand is very specific. Yes, it is actually called the heel of the hand. This is from the dictionary right after the definition given about the heel as being on the foot. "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Baskerville; font-size: 16px; "><span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">the</span> <span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">part</span> <span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">of</span> <span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">the</span> <span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">palm</span> <span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">of</span> <span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">the</span> <span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">hand</span> <span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">next to</span> <span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">the</span> <span apple_mouseover_highlight="1">wrist<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">"</span></span></span><div><br></div><div>It is interesting that the wrist on the foot is called the ankle, but the heel is the same for both the foot and the hand. You've gotta love English. Ha!</div><div><br></div><div>So I agree that it might not be the best term as it causes confusion, but so does every other word. That is the reason that Val and I have been working on getting images of all of the hands. We are getting them done slowly, but surely. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div> </div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Baskerville; font-size: 16px; "><span apple_mouseover_highlight="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">On May 29, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Charles Butler wrote:</span></span></span><div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="position: static; z-index: auto; "><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit; ">As "heel" is a part of the foot, I'd suggest using "wrist" view instead, it states what angle you are looking at, essentially straight forward at the wrist, not up from the "heel" of the foot. I know we've called it "heel" for a while, but it is confusing, and wrist is unambiguous.<br><br>Charles Butler<br><br>--- On<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Fri, 5/29/09, Charles Butler<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a>></i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; "><br>From: Charles Butler <<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Sign for SignPuddle<br>To: "SignWriting List" <<a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 11:18 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1065466925"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; ">No, heel view is looking at the heel of the hand as if the wrist were cut off. So you see a rectangle that can be split in half to show which side is the back of the hand. The view is useful for showing boat and house because the hands are a 45 degree angle and pointed forward, which SW does not easily show on the wall plane. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>--- On<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Mon, 5/25/09, Ronald Dettloff<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><<a href="mailto:signpreach@sbcglobal.net">signpreach@sbcglobal.net</a>></i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; "><br>From: Ronald Dettloff <<a href="mailto:signpreach@sbcglobal.net">signpreach@sbcglobal.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Sign for SignPuddle<br>To: "SignWriting List" <<a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 11:53 AM<br><br><div id="yiv1253151277"><div style="font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 18pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Does heel view mean looking from the floor up?<br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Rev.. Ronald H.. Dettloff, 20880 Ten Mile Road, St. Clair Shores, MI 48080</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Other Web links: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://theshoreschurch.org/ME2/Audiences/Default.asp">http://theshoreschurch.org/ME2/Audiences/Default.asp</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong><br></strong></div><strong></strong></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 18pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List <<a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12:52 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[sw-l] Sign for SignPuddle<br></font><br><span>I am in San Diego with Valerie doing various work. We were talking about a sign for SignPuddle in ASL, and I came up with two versions of writing the same sign. Essentially it mean to throw signs together in one place. I felt that was more accurate to what SignPuddle means than to say an actual rain puddle since the meaning here is more a collecting of signs rather than raindrops into a puddle. Now the reason for the two versions is because I wanted to try out how it reads with the top view verses the heel view. I personally like the look and feel of the heel view. What do you all think? Here are the two versions, first with the second part of the sign in top view and then in heel view. Or you can go to SignPuddle and find them at <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=10105,10106&search=signpuddle&type=any">http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=10105,10106&search=signpuddle&type=any</a></span><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Adam</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span><pastedGraphic.tiff></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span><pastedGraphic.tiff></span></div></div></div></div></div><br>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br><br><div class="plainMail"><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a rel="nofollow">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></div><br>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br><br><div class="plainMail"><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" target="_blank">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>