<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div>Oh Stefan,</div><div><br></div><div>It is funny that you bring this up because Val and I were discussing this very issue the other day. As we were talking about it, we found a general situation that causes issues. Val and I realize that the reason this is a confusing area is because it has never been explained before. Partly because we didn't realize that it causes problems. It wasn't until I was placing the symbols next to photos that we saw it. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>My guess is Val is doing the same at this moment, but I will go ahead and create a lesson explaining this situation since it helps to have things taught in two different ways in case one way doesn't explain enough. So look for my lesson in the next message. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Adam<br><br>On May 31, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Hello Valerie and Everyone, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">First of all - thank you so much for your kind support
... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">Obviously this SW-symbol for the “<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Namibia</st1:place></st1:country-region>”
- handshape seems to be another one that is hard for me to understand. What is
the reason for that? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">I just thought of these pictures ??? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">Is it possible that some handshape – symbols are
difficult to understand for me because I cannot identify YOUR way to look at
the hand? Smile - <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt"><image001.jpg><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">You can look at them in a different way – smile.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">– a joung lady or an old lady? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">Nevertheless I would love to understand your
explanation – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">I prepared two graphics – coming next message <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">Stefan ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
Von: <a href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>
[<a href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>] Im Auftrag von <st1:personname w:st="on">Valerie Sutton</st1:personname><br>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 15:58<br>
An: <st1:personname w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:personname><br>
Cc: <st1:personname w:st="on">Stefan Wöhrmann</st1:personname><br>
Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Namibia handshape construction</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><st1:personname w:st="on"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">SignWriting List</span></font></st1:personname><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">May 31, 2009<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Hello Stefan and Everyone!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Thank you for this question. And your photos and writings are
always <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">so beautiful! Congrats on all you are doing, Stefan....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Regarding the handshape in SignWriting...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">The photo of your hand is different than the writing of the
handshape <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">you are showing in the SignWriting example you have
attached...The <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">thumb is to the side in your photo...not forward...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">So basing it on the photo with the thumb to the side, we have that
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">handshape already in the ISWA....I know you will be creating
TrueType <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">fonts, and that is great...but I am happy it is in the ISWA too, so
I <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">can show you what I mean...please see my attached screen
capture...the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">handshape is in Group 9...the thumb to the side needs the thumb
line <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">on the other side of the rectangle base from the index finger,
because <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">when the thumb line is on the same side as the bent Index finger,
that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">would show that the thumb and the index finger are relating to
each <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">other and it means that the thumb line is forward pointing in the
same <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">direction as the Index finger...So if you want the thumb to look
like <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">it is pointing in another direction other than the index finger,
you <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">need the thumb line on the other side of the rectangle base of
the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">hand...please see my attached diagram:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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