<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I go back to the days of programmable macros for Lotus 1-2-3 and with a lot of preliminary thought on how it could be set up, a programmable macro would work for any particular language. A flexible keyboard would be a challenge, but could be made using that principal, but would really have to be designed by a group of people working in that language. Changing it on the fly constantly makes for a programming nightmare.<div><br></div><div>Charles</div><div><br><div><div><br>--- On <b>Thu, 6/4/09, MARIA AZZOPARDI <i><maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: MARIA AZZOPARDI <maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt><br>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Keyboarding and updating old and new SW software<br>To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br>Cc:
"Antonio Carlos da Rocha Costa" <rocha@atlas.ucpel.tche.br><br>Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 3:23 AM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Hi Steve,<br><br>Having a keyboard would be great. I remember using it MSDos. However what<br>are the possibilties of having a keyboard where you could choose the<br>symbols you need at hand. Where the user could assign keys depending on<br>what he needs. Since different sign languages use different symbols (have<br>different signwriting alphabets), every language, after identifying the<br>most important symbols used, would be free to assign keys on the keyboard<br>depending on the frequency of use. For e.g if in LSM I have not yet<br>encounterd a sign with a handshape from Group 7: Ring Finger, therefore I<br>would not need it on my keyboard and could leave this group out, and if<br>say in Group 5, LSM only uses 7 handshapes in all - then all the others<br>need not be assigned to the keyboard. And the same could be done
for every<br>sign language.<br><br>Of course, I have absolutely no idea whether this can actually be done in<br>technical terms. It's just an idea.<br><br>Maria<br><br><br>> SignWriting List<br>> June 3, 2009<br>><br>> Wow -<br>> This is a good plan below, Steve -<br>><br>> SignWriter Java, SignWriter Tiger, SignWriter Python and SWEdit (from<br>> Brazil) all had promise and if we could revive and improve them, that<br>> would be an amazing development...and to make keyboarding possible for<br>> the ISWA 2008 in SignPuddle would be great as well...<br>><br>> Meanwhile the drag and drop method works well and is easy to learn for<br>> most people...so I hope we can keep that as well...<br>><br>> SW Edit is still downloaded on the internet and used, so if that could<br>> someday be coordinated with SignPuddle that would be used more...we<br>> will need permission from the developers in Brazil...if we could<br>> install the ISWA 2008 into SWEdit that would
help as well...<br>><br>> The idea of revamping all the SignWriter programs into one<br>> consolidated SignWriter, possibly in Python, sounds good to me... The<br>> old SignWriter Java program was so close, but it could never print,<br>> and then time has gone by and now the symbolset is out of date...and<br>> SignWriter Tiger by Daniel Noelpp Ly, is still on the web, and the<br>> source code is available for download...It too was a beautiful program<br>> that had great promise:<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.signwriter.org/" target="_blank">http://www.signwriter.org/</a><br>> <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/swiss/swtiger/" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/swiss/swtiger/</a><br>><br>> Val ;-)<br>><br>> -------------<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:<br>><br>>> Hi Andre,<br>>><br>>> If not for time and money, we could have a keyboarding application<br>>> right now. The SignWriter keyboard design was
updated to the IMWA<br>>> but never implemented. Other than time, it would be trivial to<br>>> update the keyboarding specs for the ISWA 2008..<br>>><br>>> After I finalize the first version of the open standards of<br>>> SignWriting, SignWriter should be rewritten with the new symbol set<br>>> and data model. Maybe we can start with SignWriter Java or<br>>> SignWriter Python, but I'm thinking that we'll have to start over.<br>>> Perhaps someone could update SW Edit? I heard it had promise.<br>>><br>>> The new SignText will not initially use the SignWriter keyboard<br>>> layout, but a layout inspired by the VI editor. However, I'm hoping<br>>> that SignPuddle will use a SignWriter style keyboard well before 2012.<br>>><br>>> Regards,<br>>> -Steve<br>>><br>>> Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Hi Steve and everyone,<br>>>><br>>>> Steve, I am just curious. Are you going to use (or develop) a<br>>>> keyboard computer from
SignPuddle for ISWA 2012?<br>>>><br>>>> Best regards,<br>>>><br>>>> André<br>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>>> From: Steve Slevinski<br>>>> To: SignWriting List<br>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:30 AM<br>>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] RE: Handshapes and systematic discussion<br>>>><br>>>> Hi Charles,<br>>>><br>>>> Charles Butler wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>> As we start getting photographs being laid side by side with the<br>>>>> graphics that have been created, I think we are going to come to a<br>>>>> MUCH BETTER consensus discussion and if that means that the ISWA<br>>>>> has to be edited, then so much the better. All of us can be<br>>>>> consulted and come to a happy decision.<br>>>>><br>>>> If you want to start making notes for the ISWA 2012, please go<br>>>> ahead. Valerie and Adam are documenting the ISWA 2008 so you'll be<br>>>> getting more and more information to work with.<br>>>><br>>>> The ISWA 2008 will not be
changing. I highly doubt the ISWA will<br>>>> be revisited in the near future. We have limited time and<br>>>> resources and we are moving forward. Your attitude reinforces the<br>>>> idea that we are not ready for Unicode yet unless people accept the<br>>>> idea that no writing system is perfect and that knowledge can be<br>>>> gained by understanding the imperfections.<br>>>><br>>>> The ISWA 2008 was a labor of love. We already had a formal review<br>>>> and that review ended last year. The ISWA 2008 is the current<br>>>> standard for SignWriting.<br>>>><br>>>> Regards,<br>>>> -Steve<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> ____________________________________________<br>>>><br>>>> SW-L SignWriting List<br>>>><br>>>> Post Message<br>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>>>><br>>>> List Archives and Help<br>>>> <a
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