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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm really looking forward to being able to
keyboard SW - and I love the idea of a flexible keyboard. I'm not a
programmer so I can't speak to how hard it would be, but I hope some flexibility
could be built into it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>KJ</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=chazzer3332000@yahoo.com
href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">Charles Butler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:14
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] Keyboarding and
updating old and new SW software</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>I go back to the days of programmable macros for Lotus
1-2-3 and with a lot of preliminary thought on how it could be set up, a
programmable macro would work for any particular language. A
flexible keyboard would be a challenge, but could be made using that
principal, but would really have to be designed by a group of people
working in that language. Changing it on the fly constantly makes
for a programming nightmare.
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<DIV>Charles</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 6/4/09, MARIA AZZOPARDI
<I><maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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MARIA AZZOPARDI <maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt><BR>Subject: Re:
[sw-l] Keyboarding and updating old and new SW software<BR>To:
"SignWriting List" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><BR>Cc:
"Antonio Carlos da Rocha Costa"
<rocha@atlas.ucpel.tche.br><BR>Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009,
3:23 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Hi Steve,<BR><BR>Having a keyboard would be
great. I remember using it MSDos. However what<BR>are the possibilties
of having a keyboard where you could choose the<BR>symbols you need at
hand. Where the user could assign keys depending on<BR>what he needs.
Since different sign languages use different symbols
(have<BR>different signwriting alphabets), every language, after
identifying the<BR>most important symbols used, would be free to
assign keys on the keyboard<BR>depending on the frequency of use. For
e.g if in LSM I have not yet<BR>encounterd a sign with a handshape
from Group 7: Ring Finger, therefore I<BR>would not need it on my
keyboard and could leave this group out, and if<BR>say in Group 5, LSM
only uses 7 handshapes in all - then all the others<BR>need not be
assigned to the keyboard. And the same could be done for every<BR>sign
language.<BR><BR>Of course, I have absolutely no idea whether this can
actually be done in<BR>technical terms. It's just an
idea.<BR><BR>Maria<BR><BR><BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> June 3,
2009<BR>><BR>> Wow -<BR>> This is a good plan below, Steve
-<BR>><BR>> SignWriter Java, SignWriter Tiger, SignWriter Python
and SWEdit (from<BR>> Brazil) all had promise and if we could
revive and improve them, that<BR>> would be an amazing
development...and to make keyboarding possible for<BR>> the ISWA
2008 in SignPuddle would be great as well...<BR>><BR>> Meanwhile
the drag and drop method works well and is easy to learn for<BR>>
most people...so I hope we can keep that as well...<BR>><BR>> SW
Edit is still downloaded on the internet and used, so if that
could<BR>> someday be coordinated with SignPuddle that would be
used more...we<BR>> will need permission from the developers in
Brazil...if we could<BR>> install the ISWA 2008 into SWEdit that
would help as well...<BR>><BR>> The idea of revamping all the
SignWriter programs into one<BR>> consolidated SignWriter, possibly
in Python, sounds good to me... The<BR>> old SignWriter Java
program was so close, but it could never print,<BR>> and then time
has gone by and now the symbolset is out of date...and<BR>>
SignWriter Tiger by Daniel Noelpp Ly, is still on the web, and
the<BR>> source code is available for download...It too was a
beautiful program<BR>> that had great promise:<BR>><BR>> <A
href="http://www.signwriter.org/"
target=_blank>http://www.signwriter.org/</A><BR>> <A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/swiss/swtiger/"
target=_blank>http://www.signwriting.org/swiss/swtiger/</A><BR>><BR>>
Val ;-)<BR>><BR>> -------------<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Steve Slevinski
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Hi Andre,<BR>>><BR>>> If not
for time and money, we could have a keyboarding
application<BR>>> right now. The SignWriter keyboard
design was updated to the IMWA<BR>>> but never
implemented. Other than time, it would be trivial
to<BR>>> update the keyboarding specs for the ISWA
2008..<BR>>><BR>>> After I finalize the first version of
the open standards of<BR>>> SignWriting, SignWriter should be
rewritten with the new symbol set<BR>>> and data model.
Maybe we can start with SignWriter Java or<BR>>> SignWriter
Python, but I'm thinking that we'll have to start over.<BR>>>
Perhaps someone could update SW Edit? I heard it had
promise.<BR>>><BR>>> The new SignText will not initially
use the SignWriter keyboard<BR>>> layout, but a layout inspired
by the VI editor. However, I'm hoping<BR>>> that
SignPuddle will use a SignWriter style keyboard well before
2012.<BR>>><BR>>> Regards,<BR>>>
-Steve<BR>>><BR>>> Gagnon et Thibeault
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> Hi Steve and
everyone,<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Steve, I am just curious. Are you going to use (or
develop) a<BR>>>> keyboard computer from SignPuddle for ISWA
2012?<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Best regards,<BR>>>><BR>>>>
André<BR>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>> From: Steve Slevinski<BR>>>> To:
SignWriting List<BR>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:30
AM<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] RE: Handshapes and systematic
discussion<BR>>>><BR>>>> Hi
Charles,<BR>>>><BR>>>> Charles Butler
wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> As we start getting
photographs being laid side by side with the<BR>>>>>
graphics that have been created, I think we are going to come to
a<BR>>>>> MUCH BETTER consensus discussion and if that
means that the ISWA<BR>>>>> has to be edited, then so much
the better. All of us can be<BR>>>>> consulted and
come to a happy decision.<BR>>>>><BR>>>> If you
want to start making notes for the ISWA 2012, please
go<BR>>>> ahead. Valerie and Adam are documenting the
ISWA 2008 so you'll be<BR>>>> getting more and more
information to work with.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The ISWA
2008 will not be changing. I highly doubt the ISWA
will<BR>>>> be revisited in the near future. We have
limited time and<BR>>>> resources and we are moving
forward. Your attitude reinforces the<BR>>>> idea that
we are not ready for Unicode yet unless people accept
the<BR>>>> idea that no writing system is perfect and that
knowledge can be<BR>>>> gained by understanding the
imperfections.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The ISWA 2008 was a
labor of love. We already had a formal review<BR>>>>
and that review ended last year. The ISWA 2008 is the
current<BR>>>> standard for
SignWriting.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Regards,<BR>>>>
-Steve<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
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