<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">For me, it depends on the context. Yes, i posted the 12 classes in double motion around a circle for a "fun" sign; however, I think it depends on the context.<div><br></div><div>If one is speaking, like the "Feeding of the 5,000" you set people up in groups around a circle, the number of groups is indefinite, but the concept is several groups seated around an area. I'd say "5,000 people, group 100, group-group-group-in-an-arc". Number, then group, then location. Else you'd have to list 5,000 individuals which is not the point. </div><div><br></div><div>Setup 12 classes, various areas. </div><div><br></div><div>Does that make sense. I'm not linguistically trained in verbage, but it's how I think through the concept.</div><div><br></div><div>Charles</div><div><br></div><div><br>--- On <b>Fri, 7/3/09, Stefan Wöhrmann
<i><stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de><br>Subject: AW: [sw-l] SignWriting Question...from Deaf Church in Michigan<br>To: "'SignWriting List'" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br>Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 11:08 AM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Hi Maria, and SW-List members, <br><br>I thought about all the multiple 12 to 24 groups-spellings. <br><br>In the fist place this is of course not a question of SignWriting since we<br>write what we see in the performance or what we perform in our mind ... <br><br>So we are discussing "how to sign" the concept of multiple objects .. <br><br>four students, five, cars, 127 chicken, 236 classroomdoors ... you would<br>not want to write or sign every singe ... smile <br><br>In DGS I would rather use a sign for the number
followed by the sign for the<br>"object" - sometimes I see a variation that the "object" sign is performed<br>two times. <br><br>I am curious - what is the idea of the linguists on our SW-List about this? <br><br>Have a wonderful Friday<br><br>Stefan ;-)<br> <br><br>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>Von: <a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>] Im Auftrag von MARIA<br>AZZOPARDI<br>Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juli 2009 16:56<br>An: SignWriting List<br>Betreff: Re: [sw-l] SignWriting Question...from Deaf Church in Michigan<br><br>I'm trying to make sure I understand the question.<br><br>A similar thing that happens in spoken languages is holding the vowels<br>like for
example saying 'wooooooooow'. You could hold the vowel for a very<br>long time and in that case the 'o' in 'wow' would even be longer than<br>that. In colloquial English you can write it, just as I did here. However<br>the standard rules of English do not include a rule for this, and I think<br>the same would apply for Sign langauges in the future...what do you think?<br><br>Maria<br><br><br>> This is a cool question. For 12, I'd sign them two at a time. A double<br>> movement on classes would work. <br>><br>><br>> --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Adam Frost <<a ymailto="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> From: Adam Frost <<a ymailto="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] SignWriting Question...from Deaf Church in Michigan<br>> To: "SignWriting List" <<a
ymailto="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br>> Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:49 PM<br>><br>> This is a good question. Here was an attempt.<br>><br>> Adam<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:<br>><br>>> SignWriting List<br>>> July 2, 2009<br>>><br>>> This is such a funny problem...I could really use List member's<br>>> feedback....how would you write this? There are 6 classes...Can you read<br>>> this? Any suggestions?<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:54 PM, SignWriting wrote:<br>>><br>>>> SignWriting List<br>>>> July 2, 2009<br>>>><br>>>> Hello SW List Members!<br>>>><br>>>> Today, on Skype, I received a SignWriting question from the team of<br>>>> writers at the Deaf Church in Michigan.<br>>>><br>>>> The question is...how to write the sign for CLASS...6 times...or even<br>>>> 12
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