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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'd love to be involved with the SW shorthand as
well; I have seen references to it on the site but I'd love to learn more about
how it works and help with the updates...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>KJ</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=swterp@gmail.com href="mailto:swterp@gmail.com">Stephen Jones</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] SignPuddle
Brackets</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>I understand how you are doing brackets if needed
now. Thanks for the tip!<BR><BR>I would be very interested in the shorthand
system and even working with you to update it if you have the time and want
someone else to help with it.<BR><BR>Both my wife and I are doing this project
for Grad school, but we also use SignWriting in our work as interpreters. We
have even taught an in house training for other interpreters interested in
writing Sign Languages. <BR><BR>~Stephen<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Valerie Sutton <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=im>SignWriting List<BR>July 23, 2009<BR><BR></DIV>Hi Stephen
-<BR>Thanks for this message...
<DIV class=im><BR><BR>On Jul 23, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Stephen Jones wrote:<BR>
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have not been able to transfer everything we are getting to SignPuddle
yet. We do what are called elicitation sessions and have to write what we
elicit into a Data Notebook by hand during the session with the Language
Consultant. It is a requirement of the class to write it at the time we
"hear" it. So, I currently have not put sentences into sign puddle, but
they are all in my Data Note Book for Paraguay
Signs.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>What an interesting project! So you are
writing SignWriting by hand then...As you know, years ago, in the 1980's we
had a success with using our old SignWriting Shorthand system for classroom
notetaking in ASL, at CSUN for a Deaf student and it was an exciting time,
with new ideas being applied to real classroom settings....writing sign
language at speed of signing, and then re-writing the notes taken so
quickly, into more formal SignWriting for the student to be able to read at
home...then SignWriting evolved into expressive and vertical writing and the
Shorthand fell out of date, and it still has to be updated to match the way
we write today, but I am confident that we can someday start using the
Shorthand again as a form of daily personal handwriting, that might be
useful for your kind of work...<BR><BR>For those on the List that are new to
all this, there is a section on SignWriting Handwriting and Shorthand on the
web, in the lessons section:<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/"
target=_blank>http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/</A>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR>I
am also teaching Sign Language Phonetics and this is where I was trying to
get the brackets. What I do is make the sentences in Sign Text then e-mail
them to myself without saving, because the sentences are from videos of
Thai sign, African sign, Spanish sign, etc. I also rely on the load signs
into sign text after e-mailing heavily if I need to change something. I
did not want to save all these in the ASL Puddle, so I just have not been
saving them. I also use Sign Puddle to make the dictation tests, which
just has about 7 random signs from various languages, so it is not really
a story or necessarily ASL and thus I do not save
them.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>
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short I was trying to do the brackets in Sign
Text.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></DIV>Wow. Well, first I am glad to know you
are so skilled with computers and SignPuddle software...and that you know
SignText! Your work sounds fascinating ;-)<BR><BR>Regarding the use of
brackets, they do well in horizontal writing...that is where they really
originated. Then when we started writing vertically, they posed a bit of a
problem, but if we were doing a graphics file, like the attached one, where
I literally went into Photoshop and added the bracket in grey, then
obviously we could use the brackets going down in vertical columns...but
that was not using SignText.... (continued next
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